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would you buy it

yes 49 31.61%
 
no 41 26.45%
 
maybe 9 5.81%
 
depends on price 56 36.13%
 
Total:155
Necromunda on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
disolitude said:
demonfox13 said:
Lol haters gonna hate, disolitude (despite being anti Sony) generally has good points which is why I remain skeptical, but if the 3D is in fact good I could see myself getting it and the price point seems ideal when you pay attention to specs. I would probably buy this when it hits around 600 (better than spending the money on a shitty ipad). If it somehow has Vita connectivity, this would be the ideal roadtrip device (or long bus rides as long as you're not near ghetto hoods).


These have been around for a while. People should try them to see what they feel like.  I tried this one about a year ago - http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_wrap310xl.html

Wasn't bad but it wasn't as cool as it seems. Res was too low and the screen clarity wasn't great. Sony one obviously improves on the res...but still 1280x720 is nothing to brag about at that size.

Vuzix have something like this which would compete with Sony's 3D headset - http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_wrap_1200.html

I like that design better but still to expensive at 499.

I'm sorry, but excuse me? Do you have any idea what your talking about...? 1, they are OLED, so it gives a superior picture to most LCD's. Also, how is that resolution nothing to brag about, do you know how resolution works? Its all about PIXEL DENSITY. As in, with this, your going to have the same amount of pixel's in a 0.7 inch screen that you do in say a 32 inch 720p TV. FYI, thats nothing short of mind bogglingly amazing. And currently top of the line as far as any commerical screen tech goes right now. You might want to get your facts straight. Sorry to be so forward, but if you don't know what your talking about, don't comment, as it only spreads misinformation.

And FYI, theres nothing like these for instance, on the market right now, they don't even close to compare to anything out. Also, the media, not to mention every major tech publication is clamoring over this Headset, stating it to be one of the most immersive, visually unbelievable experiences to have come out to the commercial public, to date.

I actually started a thread on this myself, with nothing short of a plethora of information, the lack of information is this thread seriously isn't close to doing it justice. Thats obvious considering the recognition and praise I'm getting for the device in my thread. So any of you non-believers out there might want to take a gander at my thread, as you might, and probably will change your minds. This is, in essence, is the beginning of the future for entertainment IMO.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=133611&page=1#

Dont forget about distance. Your eyes are next to the screen, you will be able to see pixels at 720P. Not to say it will not look good though. But the point of those is definitely the 3D quality not image quality.


Your eyes won't considering how they focus at such a distance, and the optics used, its hard to explain lol. These pixels are at a size that aren't even close to recognizible to the human eye.


When your next to it, they are at a size easily recognizible by the human eye. Just put your TV on 720P, get close to the TV until it take 2/3rd of your viewing range, you will be able to see the pixels whatever is the TV dimension. Just how an image projected by a 720P and a 1080P projector on a 100 inches screen look about the same at 15 feets away, but see an enormous difference at 6 feets away. Closer you are, bigger the difference resolution will do. If your very far from many different TV screens, you will not even be able to tell which is 420P, 720P or 1080P. But when your a couple feets away, its a totally different thing. The ability to differentiate different screen resolution is related to the viewing distance. Thats why disolitude is saying the 720P on those will not look THAT amazing, sure if you look at the .7 inches from 10 centimeters away the resolution will look amazing, but very very small too lol.


Your misunderstanding here, the pixels are MUCH smaller then a TV, so a comparison such as this is pointless. You will NOT see the pixels, as they are SMALLER then what the human eye is capable of seeing. 1080p, at such small sizes, is rather pointless, let alone completely impossible at the moment. Just to get an idea, so you can actually realize this, same for disolitude as well. So you guys actually both get the premise at what I'm going for here.

Draw a 0.7 inch by 0.7 inch box. That is the screen size for each individual eye. Then looking at that box, and how small it is, realize, sony is cramming in just short of 1 million pixels in that tiny box. Understand? Even up close, your eye is going to be incapable of determining the difference between each individual pixel.


Doesn't matter how small they are in reality. Screen size is always relative to viewing distance. If you blow up a 0.7 x 0.7  inch OLED image to 750 inch display at 20 meters(like they say they are doing), at 720p, you are going to see pixels. Its just simple logic... It won't be terrible by any means, and both myself and Icyedge are used to giant screens at 720p as we both own projectors. This will be on par with our 720p projectors on 80-90 inch screens if they are watched at ~10-15 feet...which is not bad at all.

But lets wait and see...maybe they have figured out some magical way to hide lack of resolution. I actually can't wait to test this thing.


This is where your reading it wrong, they are NOT blowing it up, that makes no sense, how it works is it uses an optical lens, which makes it APPEAR that size. All they are really doing is using an optical illusion, they are tricking the eye, so the eye will be able to focus on the picture, as it wouldn't normally at that distance from the eye without strain, etc etc. Therefor, respective pixel size is all the same, and you will not be able to see the pixels. If your theory was correct, it would of been MAJORLY pointed out at this point, yet there hasn't been a single report of pixelation from anyone who has has the privlidge to use the product.

I think your main problem is your comparing a projector, which literally takes an image and blows it up to a bigger size, to these glasses, which instead fool the eye/viewer into thinking the screen is bigger then it is. It all essentially has to do with how the eye/brain/optics work together in the HMD. Get what I'm saying?



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M.U.G.E.N on 04 September 2011
scottie said:
When Nintendo announced the 3DS, these forums were full of "lawl they have a portable that displays in 3d, it's gonna be the virtual boy all over again"

When Sony announce the virtual boy 2, these forums are full of "omg looks awesome"


umm no? not sure what forums you were visiting but let me help you remember what these forums were really saying with the 3ds news

 

OMG 3d WITHOUT GLASSES! Jizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OMG 3d TV market are doomed nowwww!

OMG the PSP2 is DOOMED NOW FOR SUREEEEEEEEEEEE

OMG Now ALL 3rd parties will leave the next psp for the 3dssssssssssss

OMG this is so friggin cool it will be sold out for months better pre order this shit before that happens..maybe buy multiple to sell off at ebay

etc

LOL

that's what happened then :D love how it turned out too..some of ninty fans around here could use some humble pie..and please stop spreading fud. I know my stuff during that time because I was very very active on this site during pre e3 and after.

OT: disolitude with his predictable response. Necromunda, honestly why you bother with him I will not understand. anywho the device is cool, been hearing a lot of good things about it. haters gonna hate what else is new. the tech has a lot of potential too..wouldn't be surprised if sony went with an advanced version with this for the ps4...not all gaming I do is for the social interaction..sometimes with games like UC SP, i just want to sit back relax and immerse myself, and this thing can help do that even better. if you want social gaming take em off LOL shocking solution I know.



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disolitude on 04 September 2011
Necromunda said:
 


This is where your reading it wrong, they are NOT blowing it up, that makes no sense, how it works is it uses an optical lens, which makes it APPEAR that size. All they are really doing is using an optical illusion, they are tricking the eye, so the eye will be able to focus on the picture, as it wouldn't normally at that distance from the eye without strain, etc etc. Therefor, respective pixel size is all the same, and you will not be able to see the pixels. If your theory was correct, it would of been MAJORLY pointed out at this point, yet there hasn't been a single report of pixelation from anyone who has has the privlidge to use the product.

I think your main problem is your comparing a projector, which literally takes an image and blows it up to a bigger size, to these glasses, which instead fool the eye/viewer into thinking the screen is bigger then it is. It all essentially has to do with how the eye/brain/optics work together in the HMD. Get what I'm saying?

I am not sure you realize how projectors work.  

Most 1080p projectors have a 0.7 inch-1 inch DLP chip, which contains 2 million tiny mirrors which reflect light that passes through a colorwheel on to a LENS. The LENS then blows up the image to whatever size you want...

This sounds to me exactly what Sony is doing with this, except they are not using DLP technology but LCD based pannel (OLED is still a form of LCD). I guarantee you there is no "optical illusions" or similar and that its just a straightforward image sent through a lens which makes it appear larger than it is. If there was, they would be using this tech to combat resolution loss on their TV's and projectors which make them way more money than this thing ever will...

Im sure that this is an incredible product and that only people looking for pixel density would notice it. Regular people looking at this will not see anything other than how cool and unique it is. One thing is for sure, for 3D this will ne king as there is absolutely no image crosstalk since you're dealing with 2 displays.

 



disolitude on 04 September 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


OT: disolitude with his predictable response. Necromunda, honestly why you bother with him I will not understand. anywho the device is cool, been hearing a lot of good things about it. haters gonna hate what else is new. the tech has a lot of potential too..wouldn't be surprised if sony went with an advanced version with this for the ps4...not all gaming I do is for the social interaction..sometimes with games like UC SP, i just want to sit back relax and immerse myself, and this thing can help do that even better. if you want social gaming take em off LOL shocking solution I know.

I thought we were actually having a decent debate on the matter. Till you showed up and added absolutely nothing but fluff...

People reading my posts here may actually look up the screen size vs viewing distance formula and learn how they can calculate optimal viewing distance for a screen. I've set up 4 projectors in the last year and have learned a thing or two about large screen projection.

Where your post = "Yeah this is going to be so awesome. I am going to dig it even if I know nothing about it yet. All that challenge this tech are haterZ!"



M.U.G.E.N on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


OT: disolitude with his predictable response. Necromunda, honestly why you bother with him I will not understand. anywho the device is cool, been hearing a lot of good things about it. haters gonna hate what else is new. the tech has a lot of potential too..wouldn't be surprised if sony went with an advanced version with this for the ps4...not all gaming I do is for the social interaction..sometimes with games like UC SP, i just want to sit back relax and immerse myself, and this thing can help do that even better. if you want social gaming take em off LOL shocking solution I know.

I thought we were actually having a decent debate on the matter. Till you showed up and added absolutely nothing but fluff...

People reading my posts here may actually look up the screen size vs viewing distance formula and learn how they can calculate optimal viewing distance for a screen. I've set up 4 projectors in the last year and have learned a thing or two about large screen projection.

Where your post = "Yeah this is going to be so awesome. I am going to dig it even if I know nothing about it yet. All that challenge this tech are haterZ!"

don't remember ever joining your debate :) You see I don't like you or your posts..hence why I try NOT to talk to you..

I stated my opinion on the product...if that's not enough for you boo friggin hoo...go cry to someone else who would actually care. and pleaseeeee I read about these products (only those I have an interest in) from known tech sites to see if it works and if it works well..the tech detail are of no use to me nor do I get off on them or anything..if it works well if it gives a great experience = all that i care

and you should do a better job at reading the post you are replying to..you do a rather lame job at sumarizing things..but hey at least I don't do OMFG MY COMP AND PROJECTOR IS OVAH 900000! it has water cooling air cooling just normal cooling...oh ef it it has a fridge inside it to keep shit cool! and sony? product? HELL it's done a million times before , tho mostly on a prototype level by various companies around the world..insert snide remark about it..reply to someone else who takes a hit at the news with something that's not on topic and add another snide remark to it...and in the end say it can be good..and end snide remark

anywho try not to reply to my posts :) thank you



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Necromunda on 04 September 2011

This is the inner workings of each individual panel. Optics DO work differently in each of these, in base theory they may be SIMILAR, but executed in a different manner.

Another thing which I want to point out, is the actual screen itself, while wearing the HMD is approxamately 1 inch from your eye. Its been stated multiple times, this does not "Blow" up the image in the manner you say. It's been speifically pointed out, multiple times, that its made to "Look" like the screen is 750 inches. There is no pixelation, regardless of if you want to admit it or not. Considering ALL of the major tech publications out there have put out a hands on impression of the device, and virtually everyone has stated its top of the like in picture quality, and no pixelation at all has been noted. I've stated this multiple times, yet you have yet to address this in a single one of your responses.

@M.U.G.E.N, I'm mainly bothering, because his absolute pessimism is honestly staggering right now. He's never used the device, its clear he hasn't done much research at all on the device either, or has he read any of the detailed Hands-On previews from the PROFESSIONALS in the industry, which essentially upsets me.

Also, to disolitude, you do in fact realise, that this tech makes it "Seem" bigger, it does not ACTUALLY blow it up, as does a projector, as you yourself noted. Notice how there has been numerous size variences in report, stating it appears as a 750 inch screen from 20 meters, or a 150 inch screen from 3 meters. They aren't saying it ACTUALLY looks like a 750 inch screen, or a 150 inch screen, they are meerly giving a perspective, a relation to what it is like to use the device. This IS an optical illusion, thats how optical lens' work in general, they are essentially tricking the eye to work in a specific way, by bending light, that it normally would not due to how the eye controls focus, light, etc etc. Considering its only an inch away from your eye, you wouldn't be able to use this device otherwise.



disolitude on 04 September 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:
disolitude said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


OT: disolitude with his predictable response. Necromunda, honestly why you bother with him I will not understand. anywho the device is cool, been hearing a lot of good things about it. haters gonna hate what else is new. the tech has a lot of potential too..wouldn't be surprised if sony went with an advanced version with this for the ps4...not all gaming I do is for the social interaction..sometimes with games like UC SP, i just want to sit back relax and immerse myself, and this thing can help do that even better. if you want social gaming take em off LOL shocking solution I know.

I thought we were actually having a decent debate on the matter. Till you showed up and added absolutely nothing but fluff...

People reading my posts here may actually look up the screen size vs viewing distance formula and learn how they can calculate optimal viewing distance for a screen. I've set up 4 projectors in the last year and have learned a thing or two about large screen projection.

Where your post = "Yeah this is going to be so awesome. I am going to dig it even if I know nothing about it yet. All that challenge this tech are haterZ!"

don't remember ever joining your debate :) You see I don't like you or your posts..hence why I try NOT to talk to you..

I stated my opinion on the product...if that's not enough for you boo friggin hoo...go cry to someone else who would actually care. and pleaseeeee I read about these products (only those I have an interest in) from known tech sites to see if it works and if it works well..the tech detail are of no use to me nor do I get off on them or anything..if it works well if it gives a great experience = all that i care

and you should do a better job at reading the post you are replying to..you do a rather lame job at sumarizing things..but hey at least I don't do OMFG MY COMP AND PROJECTOR IS OVAH 900000! it has water cooling air cooling just normal cooling...oh ef it it has a fridge inside it to keep shit cool! and sony? product? HELL it's done a million times before , tho mostly on a prototype level by various companies around the world..insert snide remark about it..reply to someone else who takes a hit at the news with something that's not on topic and add another snide remark to it...and in the end say it can be good..and end snide remark

anywho try not to reply to my posts :) thank you

You seem to have deeply rooted psychological issues, but this isn't my problem.

How about you don't call me out in your posts in you don't want to be replied to.

Thanks



M.U.G.E.N on 04 September 2011
disolitude said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
disolitude said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


OT: disolitude with his predictable response. Necromunda, honestly why you bother with him I will not understand. anywho the device is cool, been hearing a lot of good things about it. haters gonna hate what else is new. the tech has a lot of potential too..wouldn't be surprised if sony went with an advanced version with this for the ps4...not all gaming I do is for the social interaction..sometimes with games like UC SP, i just want to sit back relax and immerse myself, and this thing can help do that even better. if you want social gaming take em off LOL shocking solution I know.

I thought we were actually having a decent debate on the matter. Till you showed up and added absolutely nothing but fluff...

People reading my posts here may actually look up the screen size vs viewing distance formula and learn how they can calculate optimal viewing distance for a screen. I've set up 4 projectors in the last year and have learned a thing or two about large screen projection.

Where your post = "Yeah this is going to be so awesome. I am going to dig it even if I know nothing about it yet. All that challenge this tech are haterZ!"

don't remember ever joining your debate :) You see I don't like you or your posts..hence why I try NOT to talk to you..

I stated my opinion on the product...if that's not enough for you boo friggin hoo...go cry to someone else who would actually care. and pleaseeeee I read about these products (only those I have an interest in) from known tech sites to see if it works and if it works well..the tech detail are of no use to me nor do I get off on them or anything..if it works well if it gives a great experience = all that i care

and you should do a better job at reading the post you are replying to..you do a rather lame job at sumarizing things..but hey at least I don't do OMFG MY COMP AND PROJECTOR IS OVAH 900000! it has water cooling air cooling just normal cooling...oh ef it it has a fridge inside it to keep shit cool! and sony? product? HELL it's done a million times before , tho mostly on a prototype level by various companies around the world..insert snide remark about it..reply to someone else who takes a hit at the news with something that's not on topic and add another snide remark to it...and in the end say it can be good..and end snide remark

anywho try not to reply to my posts :) thank you

You seem to have deeply rooted psychological issues, but this isn't my problem.

How about you don't call me out in your posts in you don't want to be replied to.

Thanks

you seem to have trouble understanding simple statements...heck you don't even know what calling out means. never called you out (I called out scottie hence why I quoted him and directly confronted his off topic and misguided post)..cuz frankly it's a waste of time. props to necro for doing what he is doing which is to try and educate

lol if being honest and up front with you is having psychological issues...i feel sorry for you and actually pity you :)

anywho good to see our lengthy discussion is coming to an end, it beaks my heart but I will survive..somehow



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disolitude on 04 September 2011
Necromunda said:

It's been speifically pointed out, multiple times, that its made to "Look" like the screen is 750 inches. There is no pixelation, regardless of if you want to admit it or not. Considering ALL of the major tech publications out there have put out a hands on impression of the device, and virtually everyone has stated its top of the like in picture quality, and no pixelation at all has been noted. I've stated this multiple times, yet you have yet to address this in a single one of your responses.

 Notice how there has been numerous size variences in report, stating it appears as a 750 inch screen from 20 meters, or a 150 inch screen from 3 meters. They aren't saying it ACTUALLY looks like a 750 inch screen, or a 150 inch screen, they are meerly giving a perspective, a relation to what it is like to use the device.


Thats because 750 inch screen at 20 meters looks the same as 150 inch screen for 3 meters...and probably looks the same as 0.7 inch screen from 1 inch (or whatever this thing projects). All goes back to the screen size vs viewing distance formula...

All those viewing options have the exact same amount of pixels visible to the human eye.

And as far as the tech impressions, I havent seen any mention anything about resolution. They all say it looks great. What does that mean? Till you show me a credible source saying "1080p would make absolutely no difference here as the human eye can't see 720p at 150 ich screen viewed at 3 meters", or till I try it first hand and verify myself, I don't see your argument...

And believe me, I will try and buy something like this way before someone like M.U.G.E.N if its as good as you say it is...



disolitude on 04 September 2011
M.U.G.E.N said:

 

you seem to have trouble understanding simple statements...heck you don't even know what calling out means. never called you out (I called out scottie hence why I quoted him and directly confronted his off topic and misguided post)..cuz frankly it's a waste of time. props to necro for doing what he is doing which is to try and educate

lol if being honest and up front with you is having psychological issues...i feel sorry for you and actually pity you :)

anywho good to see our lengthy discussion is coming to an end, it beaks my heart but I will survive..somehow

No one cares man.

People here are talking about a cool new 3D head-mounted display which Sony is releasing. Get with the program.