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would you buy it

yes 49 31.61%
 
no 41 26.45%
 
maybe 9 5.81%
 
depends on price 56 36.13%
 
Total:155
Necromunda on 05 September 2011
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.



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Icyedge on 05 September 2011
Necromunda said:


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.



Necromunda on 05 September 2011
freebs2 said:

This kind of device would be great, combined with some motion sensing tecnology, it would add lot more immersion.
However, It's not the first device of it's kind. The eyeglasses manifacturer Carl Zeiss has alredy released a similar product.

http://www.zeiss.com/cinemizer

Thats not released. Those are actually coming out an entire month after the Sony unit. I'm also more interested in the Sony unit then these.



Icyedge on 05 September 2011
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.



Necromunda on 05 September 2011
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
 


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.


Your wrong. I'm refrencing the eyes ability to distinguish two different objects, viewing distance plays a part in this, but size is just as essential. There is a point, in size, when the eye can no longer individually distinguish two objects. The size of these individual pixels, have surpassed that point. Therefor, you will NOT be able to see individual pixels, such as you claim. Hence why the limit of the human eye is so important and essentially in this tech, and why I am saying the difference between 720p and 1080p on a unit such as this would be essentially indistinguishable. 



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freebs2 on 05 September 2011
Necromunda said:
freebs2 said:

This kind of device would be great, combined with some motion sensing tecnology, it would add lot more immersion.
However, It's not the first device of it's kind. The eyeglasses manifacturer Carl Zeiss has alredy released a similar product.

http://www.zeiss.com/cinemizer

Thats not released. Those are actually coming out an entire month after the Sony unit. I'm also more interested in the Sony unit then these.

Those are the second generation of their 3D glasses, the first one is already out

http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&clk_rvr_id=262385227249&item=220736949938

But you are also right, apparently they still haven't released those outside europe. About interst yes the Sony ones are more interesting, but also more expansive



Icyedge on 05 September 2011
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
 


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.


Your wrong. I'm refrencing the eyes ability to distinguish two different objects, viewing distance plays a part in this, but size is just as essential. There is a point, in size, when the eye can no longer individually distinguish two objects. The size of these individual pixels, have surpassed that point. Therefor, you will NOT be able to see individual pixels, such as you claim. Hence why the limit of the human eye is so important and essentially in this tech, and why I am saying the difference between 720p and 1080p on a unit such as this would be essentially indistinguishable. 

Your wrong, plain and simple. I dont any advantage to downplay the product. The field of vision the image will take will make it easily possible to differentiate 480P, 720P or 1080P. Its worthless to try and explain further, try different set-up for yourself. Between, this is my 800 X 600 3D HMD I have since 7 years:

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html



Necromunda on 05 September 2011
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
killerzX said:
 

yeah, too bad none of that matters, because at 720p on .7 inch screen, no matter how close you eyes are, you wont be able to destinguish each pixel..

if i put my eye up against a object, im still not going to see a sub atomic particle. silly comparison put still works. 

when pixel density is that high, it doesnt matter. show me another .7 inch oled screen with a 1280x720p resolution, and then we can talk. 

if you wear these things and are able to make out the pixels, the you deseved to be worshiped, for you have suprhuman eye sight, and will have no use for microscopes

Your comparison is good, but sub atomic particle are a lot smaller then pixel on a .7 inch 720P screen. When im saying seeing the pixel, its more about being able to tell the difference between 720P and 1080P. You should only be able to see the pixels (black square) on white background.

Its a basic principle really, since its the pixels that compose the image, you cannot give the illusion of  a bigger screen without giving the illusion of bigger pixels, its just impossible. Whether your projecting the image or just getting really close to it doesnt matter. Whats important is how much of your viewing range it takes. Just think about looking at 3 different 70 inches TVs from 20 meters away, will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 meters? Yes, easily. Same thing goes for 3 different .7 inch screen. At 20 centimeters will you be able to tell which is 420P, 720P and 1080P? No! But at 2 centimeters? Yes, easily.


Because you've seen a 0.7 inch 720p screen right? I suggest we all just wait and see how good this thing actually is with our own eyes, because so far, its been pure speculation. I however, still firmly hold my ground on my standpoint, based upon the articles I've read, and my own personal knowledge on how the eye biologically operates and its specific limits.

I have a HMD. Standard resolution, but it doesnt matter to understand this principle. Those 720P HMD will not look better then my 1080P TV. They will look on par with my 720P projector looking at the 92 inches screens from 1.8 meters.


If this is true then answer me this, because now your statements are just pissing me off. Your assuming, with no real evidence whatsoever at this point to your claim, you haven't seen them yourself, and you clearly haven't been paying attention or reading the hands on impressions by the various tech journalists on the web. Now the question I ask you is, you make the lofty claim that these will not look better then your 1080P HDTV, yet there have been various claims that this HMD's picture quality rivals that of some of the top of the line HDTV's on the market. And these claims come from completely reputable sources, tech journalists, who know about all of this far more then you, and are far more reputable then you will probably ever be. Please, explain to me, if you know so much, how that could be?



Lafiel on 05 September 2011
Xen said:
It defines useless waste of money, so no.


so is gaming - and additionally gaming is a useless waste of time 

and as time is money that means gaming = useless waste of money²

so, why do you do it?



Necromunda on 05 September 2011
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
Icyedge said:
Necromunda said:
 


The size argument I am talking about doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the particular focus, I'm talking about the same reason we can see objects under a microscope that we can't see with the naked eye. It's the biological threshold of what we can see due to SIZE. There is a LIMIT to what the Human Eye can see, and the size of these individual pixels are far beyond that limit, regardless of how close to our eye it is, your formula, whether you like it or not, does not address that.

Also, you would be getting the equivalent of a 750 inch screen at 20 meters. You do in fact realize, that at that size, it will take up your entire field of vision, correct? Thats already been stated that this takes up, even most peoples peripheral vision, therefor giving the EQUIVALENT. You need to start understanding biology, and the limits of the human eye to understand what I'm talking about. Both Biology and Tech come into play here, you need to start addressing both.

Yes theres a limit to what the human eyes can see. When it comes to screen resolution, This limit is wholly dependant of your viewing distance. If any 720P screen (whatever its size) takes your entire field of vision, you will easily be able to tell the difference between 480P, 720P and 1080P +. Think about it, what is the need for a 720P HMD, why not stick to 480P? Because the difference is noticeable when the screen takes an important part of your field of vision. In a couple of years, we will see 1080P HMD, and they will look better.


Your wrong. I'm refrencing the eyes ability to distinguish two different objects, viewing distance plays a part in this, but size is just as essential. There is a point, in size, when the eye can no longer individually distinguish two objects. The size of these individual pixels, have surpassed that point. Therefor, you will NOT be able to see individual pixels, such as you claim. Hence why the limit of the human eye is so important and essentially in this tech, and why I am saying the difference between 720p and 1080p on a unit such as this would be essentially indistinguishable. 

Your wrong, plain and simple. I dont any advantage to downplay the product. The field of vision the image will take will make it easily possible to differentiate 480P, 720P or 1080P. Its worthless to try and explain further, try different set-up for yourself. Between, this is my 800 X 600 3D HMD I have since 7 years:

http://www.i-glassesstore.com/ig-hrvpro.html


I'm wrong? I love how you give no info to back that up, like I said, I used to be a bio-major and spent and entire section learning about the human eye and how it works. I'm 100% right, whether you like it or not. If I'm so wrong, then prove to me I'm wrong, I want to see cold hard evidence as to why my claim is wrong. Not only that but then you can go ahead and turn the medical world on its head regarding optics and how vision works, because you will no doubt be making a complete breakthrough that people far smarter then you, with far more resources and knowledge on the subject have not been able to stumble across.

Ironically, this is pertaining all to the resolution abilities of the human eye, do your own research and learn a few things, it will be good for you.