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Nah, cause for HD-DVD to die, blu-ray players are going to need to be like $200.

I mean it'll effect a little, but likely not even a whole percentage point.



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BluRay's victory as the next gen movie format means two things for Sony:

1. Cheaper BluRay drives as drive manufacturing costs continue to drop with the increasing numbers of BluRay drives being sold

2. Cheaper BluRay disc replication costs as disc volumes go up for both games and movies

So it will help Sony to continue lowering their PS3 manufacturing costs and hence ability to price reduce the console and also lower the cost of game disc production leaving more money for themselves and developers.

Also, BluRay's marketplace victory doesn't require Warner officially dumping HD-DVD. BluRay is handily destroying HD-DVD in sales for both players and movies all across the globe.



Not unless DVD's go away. People still seem indifferent to HD and not really see the advantages of it. Even if it beats HD DVD, Unless studios drop DVD format in favor of blueray of being the absolute only standard, it will mean nothing. Also the PS3 will still have to get to a mass market price of under $199.



Because it's games are on blu-ray, it won't affect game sales, but, according to many people on this site, PS3s are solely being sold on the fact that they are blu-ray players, then PS3 sales will plummet, at least in america.



eugene said:
Not unless DVD's go away. People still seem indifferent to HD and not really see the advantages of it. Even if it beats HD DVD, Unless studios drop DVD format in favor of blueray of being the absolute only standard, it will mean nothing. Also the PS3 will still have to get to a mass market price of under $199.

 Consumers are migrating from DVD->BluRay at a faster rate than they did in the VHS->DVD transition.

 The only people who make this 'no one cares' argument are Xbox/HD-DVD supporters who have accepted the death of the format and now wish no one wins.

 

 

 



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It won't affect PS3 sales at all when it comes to gaming. (Which is what we are all really into here). Sure, the PS3 may get a small spike, but with BR players now below the cost of a PS3 I just don't see it making that big of a dent.

But the PS3 will continue to sell well this year and in future years regardless of BR winning the "HD War".



 


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I still think both BR and HD-DVD are going to be very minor formats for a long time. DVDs are cheaper and no less convenient. Also, many older movies just don't benefit from HD.


I quoted the first part truth: yes DVDs will continue to dominate for a long time. And for reasons mentioned above (people don't know DVD isn't high def, don't know what Blu Ray or HD-DVD is, don't want to pay more for media, etc) DVD will continue to dominate.

However, the second part -- "older movies just don't benefit from HD" is completely untrue. Many older movies were recorded on 35mm film, which resolves a *lot* more detail than 1980x1080.

In terms of resolution, 35mm is vastly superior to 1080p. It is possible to transfer a movie well from its original format to HD discs. However, the results will depend a lot on its original production values as well as the quality of the transfer itself. It's possible to use bad film or record under terrible lighting conditions, of course. HD isn't very high resolution compared to 35mm film, though.

A review of casa blanca from 1942:

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/498/casablanca.html

The reviewer gave the video quality 5-stars -- sure, it's not widescreen, but it was a good transfer from the source film and it was a high production value movie. There isn't a technical reason why older movies don't have fantastic results on 1080p, especially since 1080p is such low resolution compared to the source.

They gave 4.5 stars to The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938). It's even in color!


While you're technically right, it's bloody expensive to clean up the source film enough to make the transfer to high definition worthwhile. Movies like Casablanca will receive that treatment but many others won't have projected sales high enough to warrant that kind of expenditure. To clean up the source film properly, digital artists tackle the film frame by frame. That's terribly time-consuming and pricey to do for a National Lampoon movie that may only sell a few hundred thousand copies in its life. Compound that with the degradation that film suffers over time (more money spent to clean up color source, film deterioration, etc.) and you're looking at many movies that will never look much better than they do on DVD.

BTW, most film can be scanned up to a 2048x1493 resolution. While that is larger than a 1080p signal, it's hardly leaps and bounds over it like you implied in your post.




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No. If the PS3 was winning or was going to win that would affect the HD Disc war, but the HD Disc war has really no impact on the PS3. If bluray loses the drives will still cost less and less to produce over time. Since the drive in the PS3 is not the same drive in other Bluray players.



WRONG

if the BR win, people, particularly in US, the PS3 will be more attractive
for me, this is the only way the PS3 can match the Xbox360 sales in US,

of course, as MS will soon launch the new Xbox360 HD, things are more difficult to predict.



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Mummelmann said:
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PS: HDTV sales have completely erupted in parts of europe. In the nordic countries, 50 % of all TV's will be HDTV's by 2010. Please don't tell me that no one buys HDTV's just because you can't afford one (me neither, yet)...

They don't buy them for HD they buy them because they are flat


So the fact that the image quality is a lot better has nothing to do with it? Okay... Since you seem to have a sound knowledge of the hi-fi biz. Maybe they should just stick to the first color TV's then, they were very small. It doesn't matter since picture counts for nothing. This is like saying that people got CD players only because it looked cool, and that capacity/sound quality/practicality had nothing to do with it. No, just no.


You really think most consumers understand the difference between 720 and 1080 or i and p? Nope, they buy a flatscreen because it looks nice and the picture looks nice, anything else is irelevant to them, they don't buy it because its HD, most don't even know that they need to buy HD service or get an HD player


 Exactly. Which was my point. They DO care about how the picture looks. You just bit your own arse and choked a bit.


 Nope once again you didn't read, I said the picture looks nice, but it has nothing to do with HDtv, because they aren't watching HD signal, its just a nice SD tv, they aren't buying it for HD as I said earlier



 

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