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padib said:
sapphi_snake said:

That's only because the law doesn't allow them to do that. For example, you can't do that in Turkey, which is a predominantly Muslim country. The reason is because Turkey is a secular country, and not a theocracy, like Iran or Saudi Arabia. You can be sure that if the US were a theocracy you'd see Baptists stoning people to death etc. Secularism is the reason why the West is a nice place to live in, and it's also the reason why Christians don't go around punishing people Bible-style.

If they did that they would not be Christians, since by definition a Christian follows the teachings of Christ: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."... and they all turn home.

If we go by what you say, there haven't really been any christians up 'till recently. I guess secularism saved christianity (LOL).



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padib said:

Sorry to cut out the top part as it was a good post, but I wanted to focus on this last paragraph. I agree that belief is best left to the individual for the most part, I also believe people help each other understand things as we're doing together right now. The one thing I would say here is that the dangers of organization or unified thought is that it transcends religion, and my example of Nazist germany is the hallmark of it. The whole country was in awe of this one leader and his great vision for Germany, so much so that they were blinded to the massive killings that this glorious vision involved. To even suggest that catholicism caused this is totally ignorant of what actually happened. If anything, Hitler created the adoration of himself, which Christianity in any form would consider idolatry.

My point is it's unfair to limit this issue to religion, it applies to ideology as a whole. The best solution to this is as you said critical thinking, thinking for oneself, and refusing to accept the most popular notion only because it's popular. Sadly with Facebook and all this thumbs up nonesense that direction is going more the way of the shits. Then again, forums like this are a good place to generate new thoughts and challenges to established ideas, which is a great thing.

Catholics are responsable for the anit-jewish sentiment that existed in Germany and Europe as a whole. The Holocaust is basically the the culmination of the persecution of Jews that the Pope ordered in the Middle Ages.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

padib said:
^Not many ;)

Matthew 7:
22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

By 'not many', I essentially mean 'none'. No christians in the past, especially those from the Church, fit your standards.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

padib said:
Dodece said:
@Player

Do not confuse Atheism with Anti-Theism. While many Anti-Theists are Atheists. Not all Atheists are Anti-Theists. In the case of Atheism it is a state of indifference. In the Case of Anti-Theism it is a state of hostility. A Anti-Theist will typically view organized religion as evil, and blame said institution for the problems that ail humanity. To be terribly fair they have a really valid point. History is completely on their side. If you judge organized religion by the results.



Problem with this is that history has also been on the side of Christianity. I can name Martin Luther King, Mother Teresa and numerous others who served for justice in the name of Christianity. Ghandi was harmonious with Christianity, just not with Christians.

On the other spectrum, history shows us Nazist germany, Red Russia and other societies based on Atheist ideologies and teachings such as evolution, eugenics, low value of human life and such. In that way history also supports Christianity.

In some fewer cases history supports the other end (such as the crusades), but even those are not nearly as devastating as those I mentioned above which involved mass murders in staggering numbers.

The future looks grim, and it's mostly due to the increased ideology that human life is not worth more than we used to value it. Christianity teaches that human life is of high value, I can't say the same about most other ideologies.

Back on topic, religions I don't understand are mostly cults, Atheism when its proponents believe they are intellectually superior, and even some forms of Christianity, which mostly involves legalism, I have a difficult time with. Any form of brainwash, repression of inquisitiveness and curiosity, dogma, repression of legitimate and innocent expression, any of those I'm strongly opposed to.

Lol u a funny guy



 

padib said:
sapphi_snake said:
padib said:

Sorry to cut out the top part as it was a good post, but I wanted to focus on this last paragraph. I agree that belief is best left to the individual for the most part, I also believe people help each other understand things as we're doing together right now. The one thing I would say here is that the dangers of organization or unified thought is that it transcends religion, and my example of Nazist germany is the hallmark of it. The whole country was in awe of this one leader and his great vision for Germany, so much so that they were blinded to the massive killings that this glorious vision involved. To even suggest that catholicism caused this is totally ignorant of what actually happened. If anything, Hitler created the adoration of himself, which Christianity in any form would consider idolatry.

My point is it's unfair to limit this issue to religion, it applies to ideology as a whole. The best solution to this is as you said critical thinking, thinking for oneself, and refusing to accept the most popular notion only because it's popular. Sadly with Facebook and all this thumbs up nonesense that direction is going more the way of the shits. Then again, forums like this are a good place to generate new thoughts and challenges to established ideas, which is a great thing.

Catholics are responsable for the anit-jewish sentiment that existed in Germany and Europe as a whole. The Holocaust is basically the the culmination of the persecution of Jews that the Pope ordered in the Middle Ages.

Also, you do realized they murdered gypsies with a very similar sentiment. Blame religion again?

I was talking about Jews, and the historical trajectory of the hate towards them. Gypsies were a non-aryan nomadic people who occupied the slums of society, so it's no wonder that they were included in the 'inferior' human beings category. All non-aryans had to be eliminated. With Jews it was more than them being non-aryan though. Same with gays, whose status as 'inferior' was due strictly to religion.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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Player1x3 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Player1x3 said:
I dont understand atheism. Its followers arent supposed to care about religion at all, yet they brag and complain about it more than most of religious people I know, both internet and real life, and most of them are just as self righteous, vocal and ''throat pushing'' about their beliefs as the other religious people they accuse of

Limit yourself to religions. This post if off topic.


Not at all sapphi. Atheists I was talking about behave absolutely no different than, lets say Westbro Baptist Church members, its just that instead of hating on gays, they hate on Christians and only on Christians. The only difference is that WBC memebrs arent as lazy and conter productive as their atheist counter parts, and as such tend to be a bit more active and vocal. They bear the same hatred for Christians as WBC members do for gays. They are also incredibly quick to judge others who dont share their beleifs (just like you don on everyone and everything), same thing WBC membrs do, and they are also extremly self-righteous such as you (and yet dont beleive in any moral or unviersal laws at the same time) however since WBC membrs actually believe in some universal morals and and laws, I cant blame them as much as I do people like you, altho they are no better at all

When atheists start protesting at random christian people's funerals, your argument will seem less outrageous.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

I "understand" them. But I don't have to "agree" with them.

Mind you i do believe in God.



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huaxiong90 said:
Dr.Grass said:
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pezus said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:
snakenobi said:
Dr.Grass said:

I don't think anyone gets what you are saying. Your comments are incoherent, have no logic, and your spelling is atrocious.


yup my typing is bad,i type way too fast and don't see or recheck.

nobody has to get it,just you have to get as you are the one quoting to which replied to you should understand the relation

people don't submit to slavery happily but they do submit,how else does it happen?

THEY GET THROWN ON BOATS AND ARE TRANSPORTED OVER THE ATLANTIC DURING WHICH TIME HALF OF THEM DIE DUE TO CONDITIONS WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I WONT EVEN USE COMMAS OR FULL STOPS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERES NO WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU THAT YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND

alrigth i will improve my typing

they get thrown,why don't people from other other countries got thrown?cause they stand up or die in fighting for their right

who threw them?many of their own people

 

their own people betray them,they don't stand up,they don't fight.who's faut is it?their poor condition is because of themselves as much as it is blamed on the rulers

life is not fair,there are no human rights naturally and their never can be peace as that will always require a compromise

Who says they don't fight? Most of the time they fight and lose and see no way of winning.


He's convinced people are poor because they choose to live in poverty, and that the millions of slaves shipped to America (for instance) did so by choice.

I'm not replying to him again since he has no idea what he's talking about and has been digging an ever-deepening hole for himself. Pathetic.

Honestly, he sounds like many right wing people from the US regarding those issues (poor people are to blame because they're poor, slaves are to blame because they were enslaved etc.)


We'll see what they say as they gradually slip into poverty. Life sure has a sense of irony.

This conversation/argument is funny as hell.

Then its a success



padib said:

But you do realize that the one common factor, though there are ancient traces of religion there which were (I repeat) superceded by sentiments of superiority, is the sentiment of racial superiority. That is an evolutionary notion. Why did they murder the sick which were aryan? You're holding on to blaming religion, but your sense of priorities in this matter is not tuned properly. The more dominant factor is the sense of race superiority, which more truthfully is based in racism and misled evolutionary ideologies, much less religion.

Religion was one of the chief reasons why people had feelings of 'racial superiority'. In the past evolution was even applied to religions, Western people claming that monotheism (mainly christianity) was the most evolved form of religions on the planet. Thus populations who believed in non-monotheistic religions were labeled as 'primitive' and 'inferior'. However, (misguided) evolutionary theories weren't that important when it came to the hatred against Jews. They were just another reason to hate them, not the chief reason (note, referring only to the Jews here).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

padib said:
^What about the sick?

Pulling society back. This one isn't related to religion at all. As I said, I was talking only about Jews. Bringing other groups into this is irrelevant.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)