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MARCUSDJACKSON on 18 August 2011
SamuelRSmith said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Player1x3 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
DeathToIran24 said:
Too many blacks and latinos.

bad argument

im not sure whether your joking or not, but jail's and prisions in 49 of the 50 states do have 80%-90% minorities in them. its more of a currupt system then then any one race so your statement is highly flaw'd.

 

 

Maybe that's because crime rate is very high between those minority groups?

no dud thats a percentage of minorities as a whole. you knwo everything left if you don't include the majority.

meaning people with the lowest population in the counrty. i could brake it down but the sad truth is that in atlease 47 u.s states most of those minorities are black even with there population droping in most states meaning low birth rate.

maybe i shouldn't be in this thread.

see i'm blinded by an everything is equal mind set, but reality hits me far to often.


This is interesting because FBI files show 69.1 %, of arrests mind you, are white and 28% black.  However no mention of Hispanic so it may be that Hispanics are included with either race.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

 

Either way though it doesn't seem as high as you're saying.

To another point: somewhere around 70 % of the NFL is black so by your logic the NFL racially profiles black people? no white people and wht ever minories are missing from the NFL. and its more about talent then race. out of context much. jail is not a job but the NFL is. ur way off base here.

yea check afew post back and you'll see theres some conflict with those numbers, and i'm talking about minorities as a whole not just one slice of the pie.

i'm also talking about the percentage in jail.


Thank you, I'm aware that the NFL is different from jail.  My point was that instead of looking at the percentage of minorities and shouting racism perhaps we should consider that there may be other factors involved... like talent for example.

And I know theres a conflict that's why I brought it up.


Indeed, like I said in an earlier post, highly-urbanized areas have higher crime rates all over the world, and the USA has a disproportiante number of minorities living in its inner-cities compared to the rest of the country, therefore, it makes sense if a disproportionate number of prisoners are minorities.

now this i can somewhat agree with.



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Kasz216 on 18 August 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
SamuelRSmith said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

yea check afew post back and you'll see theres some conflict with those numbers, and i'm talking about minorities as a whole not just one slice of the pie.

i'm also talking about the percentage in jail.


Thank you, I'm aware that the NFL is different from jail.  My point was that instead of looking at the percentage of minorities and shouting racism perhaps we should consider that there may be other factors involved... like talent for example.

And I know theres a conflict that's why I brought it up.


Indeed, like I said in an earlier post, highly-urbanized areas have higher crime rates all over the world, and the USA has a disproportiante number of minorities living in its inner-cities compared to the rest of the country, therefore, it makes sense if a disproportionate number of prisoners are minorities.

now this i can somewhat agree with.

Not to mention a number of them are poor... which also correlates with crime...

and more importantly recidivism.

Rich dude or Middle Class dude gets caught committing a crime... they generally stay straight after that.

Poor guy some feel they need to steal... and crime sentences are harder on repeat offenders.

I'd bet you though that Europes numbers don't look that differently.  They don't on unemployment based on race the last time I checked.

The big difference is that it's a hell of a lot harder to get those kind of numbers from Europe, like pulling teeth...

ESPIECALLY France where the average french official would tell you your a racist for wanting to see what the incarceration rates are related to a persons  race.

Though estimates by others like sociologists puts the Muslims at about 70% of all people in jail despite only being 12% of the population.

Now, Black people in the US I don't think is anywhere near that amount.  I think Black males are 35% of the prison population, and women prisoners are far rarer then men... so I don't even see it hitting 50% unless i'm wrong.  I wanna say African americans make up 12% of the population in the US.



thx1139 on 18 August 2011

Couple of major factors.

1. War on Drugs.
2. Privatization of Prisons and the hidden factors of this. Lobbyists for Prison industry have successfully lobbied for harsher sentences. Judges have been corrupted and been found taking kickbacks for harsher sentences, parole boards have been corrupted. Private prisons arent incented to rehabilitate people. There are incented to keep the people in.

Minor:
1. People deliberately committing crimes and getting caught for free healthcare. it does happen, but I dont have and data that shows how often.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Kasz216 on 18 August 2011
thx1139 said:
Couple of major factors.

1. War on Drugs.
2. Privatization of Prisons and the hidden factors of this. Lobbyists for Prison industry have successfully lobbied for harsher sentences. Judges have been corrupted and been found taking kickbacks for harsher sentences, parole boards have been corrupted. Private prisons arent incented to rehabilitate people. There are incented to keep the people in.

Minor:
1. People deliberately committing crimes and getting caught for free healthcare. it does happen, but I dont have and data that shows how often.


So rare that it makes the news.  You don't have a statistic for it, because it wouldn't register as one.  It'd be like VGchartz trying to figure out if a game sold 1 or 2 copies.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 18 August 2011
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
SamuelRSmith said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

yea check afew post back and you'll see theres some conflict with those numbers, and i'm talking about minorities as a whole not just one slice of the pie.

i'm also talking about the percentage in jail.


Thank you, I'm aware that the NFL is different from jail.  My point was that instead of looking at the percentage of minorities and shouting racism perhaps we should consider that there may be other factors involved... like talent for example.

And I know theres a conflict that's why I brought it up.


Indeed, like I said in an earlier post, highly-urbanized areas have higher crime rates all over the world, and the USA has a disproportiante number of minorities living in its inner-cities compared to the rest of the country, therefore, it makes sense if a disproportionate number of prisoners are minorities.

now this i can somewhat agree with.

Not to mention a number of them are poor... which also correlates with crime...

and more importantly recidivism.

Rich dude or Middle Class dude gets caught committing a crime... they generally stay straight after that.

Poor guy some feel they need to steal... and crime sentences are harder on repeat offenders.

I'd bet you though that Europes numbers don't look that differently.  They don't on unemployment based on race the last time I checked.

The big difference is that it's a hell of a lot harder to get those kind of numbers from Europe, like pulling teeth...

ESPIECALLY France where the average french official would tell you your a racist for wanting to see what the incarceration rates are related to a persons  race.

Though estimates by others like sociologists puts the Muslims at about 70% of all people in jail despite only being 12% of the population.

Now, Black people in the US I don't think is anywhere near that amount.  I think Black males are 35% of the prison population, and women prisoners are far rarer then men... so I don't even see it hitting 50% unless i'm wrong.  I wanna say African americans make up 12% of the population in the US.

well i think that about says it all, as somehow i agree with this.



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Kasz216 on 19 August 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
SamuelRSmith said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

yea check afew post back and you'll see theres some conflict with those numbers, and i'm talking about minorities as a whole not just one slice of the pie.

i'm also talking about the percentage in jail.


Thank you, I'm aware that the NFL is different from jail.  My point was that instead of looking at the percentage of minorities and shouting racism perhaps we should consider that there may be other factors involved... like talent for example.

And I know theres a conflict that's why I brought it up.


Indeed, like I said in an earlier post, highly-urbanized areas have higher crime rates all over the world, and the USA has a disproportiante number of minorities living in its inner-cities compared to the rest of the country, therefore, it makes sense if a disproportionate number of prisoners are minorities.

now this i can somewhat agree with.

Not to mention a number of them are poor... which also correlates with crime...

and more importantly recidivism.

Rich dude or Middle Class dude gets caught committing a crime... they generally stay straight after that.

Poor guy some feel they need to steal... and crime sentences are harder on repeat offenders.

I'd bet you though that Europes numbers don't look that differently.  They don't on unemployment based on race the last time I checked.

The big difference is that it's a hell of a lot harder to get those kind of numbers from Europe, like pulling teeth...

ESPIECALLY France where the average french official would tell you your a racist for wanting to see what the incarceration rates are related to a persons  race.

Though estimates by others like sociologists puts the Muslims at about 70% of all people in jail despite only being 12% of the population.

Now, Black people in the US I don't think is anywhere near that amount.  I think Black males are 35% of the prison population, and women prisoners are far rarer then men... so I don't even see it hitting 50% unless i'm wrong.  I wanna say African americans make up 12% of the population in the US.

well i think that about says it all, as somehow i agree with this.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame it on current overt racism so much as past racism and current structual problems due to racism.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 August 2011
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
SamuelRSmith said:
maximus22 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

yea check afew post back and you'll see theres some conflict with those numbers, and i'm talking about minorities as a whole not just one slice of the pie.

i'm also talking about the percentage in jail.


Thank you, I'm aware that the NFL is different from jail.  My point was that instead of looking at the percentage of minorities and shouting racism perhaps we should consider that there may be other factors involved... like talent for example.

And I know theres a conflict that's why I brought it up.


Indeed, like I said in an earlier post, highly-urbanized areas have higher crime rates all over the world, and the USA has a disproportiante number of minorities living in its inner-cities compared to the rest of the country, therefore, it makes sense if a disproportionate number of prisoners are minorities.

now this i can somewhat agree with.

Not to mention a number of them are poor... which also correlates with crime...

and more importantly recidivism.

Rich dude or Middle Class dude gets caught committing a crime... they generally stay straight after that.

Poor guy some feel they need to steal... and crime sentences are harder on repeat offenders.

I'd bet you though that Europes numbers don't look that differently.  They don't on unemployment based on race the last time I checked.

The big difference is that it's a hell of a lot harder to get those kind of numbers from Europe, like pulling teeth...

ESPIECALLY France where the average french official would tell you your a racist for wanting to see what the incarceration rates are related to a persons  race.

Though estimates by others like sociologists puts the Muslims at about 70% of all people in jail despite only being 12% of the population.

Now, Black people in the US I don't think is anywhere near that amount.  I think Black males are 35% of the prison population, and women prisoners are far rarer then men... so I don't even see it hitting 50% unless i'm wrong.  I wanna say African americans make up 12% of the population in the US.

well i think that about says it all, as somehow i agree with this.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame it on current overt racism so much as past racism and current structual problems due to racism.

i have to agree with that to. lets face it. the racsim faced today an't got noth'n on the early 1900's.



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Kasz216 on 19 August 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

well i think that about says it all, as somehow i agree with this.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame it on current overt racism so much as past racism and current structual problems due to racism.

i have to agree with that to. lets face it. the racsim faced today an't got noth'n on the early 1900's.


Yeah, it's kinda like if your running a race, and one guy is forced to stop for 10 minutes in the race.

Even if you've got equality from then on, the other guy is always going to be behind.

Which becomes an ethical quagmire in a larger economic framework, since you've got one group disadvantaged by past deeds, however by directly helping them you are hurting other unrelated groups. 

Afterall your typical billionaire doesn't care about a poor white guy anymore then he does a poor black guy, whehter that poor white guy was around during the worse eras or whether his faimily just imigrated here from romania.



MARCUSDJACKSON on 19 August 2011
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
 

well i think that about says it all, as somehow i agree with this.

Yeah, I wouldn't blame it on current overt racism so much as past racism and current structual problems due to racism.

i have to agree with that to. lets face it. the racsim faced today an't got noth'n on the early 1900's.


Yeah, it's kinda like if your running a race, and one guy is forced to stop for 10 minutes in the race.

Even if you've got equality from then on, the other guy is always going to be behind.

Which becomes an ethical quagmire in a larger economic framework, since you've got one group disadvantaged by past deeds, however by directly helping them you are hurting other unrelated groups. 

Afterall your typical billionaire doesn't care about a poor white guy anymore then he does a poor black guy, whehter that poor white guy was around during the worse eras or whether his faimily just imigrated here from romania.

wow! that was great. perfect analogy.



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rrrnearrr on 19 August 2011

You should be glad for that. Here people kill, steal, rape, illegally carry guns and don't go to jail for that. They are on the streets doing everything again.