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ioi said:

The biggest issue Nintendo faces right now with 3DS and Wii is lack of games. While I absolutely believe that apps are going to be enormous in the next 2-3 years, I don't agree that Nintendo needs to follow that model - they have the core audience that will buy a 3DS / WiiU just to buy the latest Nintendo products - they just need to get the software out there.

I certainly agree that the $10b should be put to use to buy some major studios to help support their existing studios and basically increase the rate of software released.

Look at Wii for example - we had Twilight Princess / Sports / Play at launch - Sports and Play helped lead to initial sellouts and mass market takeup of Wii but it wasn't until Galaxy / Brawl / Wii Fit and Mario Kart hit within a 6 month period that things went crazy for Wii and sales went through the roof. The same happened on DS a couple of years earlier with NSMB, Brain Training, Mario Kart, Nintendogs and Animal Crossing. In both cases they didn't keep the flow of big games coming and things dried up. I have no doubt that 3DS sales will pick up significantly as soon as Mario Kart etc arrive but Nintendo does need to learn from the mistakes from this gen and keep the software coming (1 huge game every 2-3 months) to avoid the same collapse mid-gen as they have seen here.

It is all about software and Nintendo's biggest issue is that they never seem to follow up on things and exploit their own success. DLC is huge right now and they'd be silly not to release DLC packs for games like Mario Kart, Smash Bros. Wii Fit was obviously enormous but Nintendo could have done so much more with the balance board and followed up with a whole suite of games using the same basic mechanics developed in Wii Fit (but maybe aimed at more of a core audience). I just feel with Nintendo that the are great at innovating and introducing new concepts but rarely follow them through and exploit them as much as they could - probably the opposite to how companies like EA and Activision operate with their yearly franchise updates, DLC packs, heavy focus on online and so on.


There's a lot of problem that come from buying a big studio.

I think they would be smarter to go the way Sony has been going for the past 10 years and purchase small studios, it's easier to shift the momentum of those, there is less risk involved in each aquisition and you don't have to handle the headache of multiplatforms games suddenly becoming exclusives....

Clearly even if it was possible, buying something like Activision would not be a good match for Nintendo ( and Activision is not for sale, over 50% of the capital is held by Vivendi , a french conglomerate) and most likely would destroy value, not create it...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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we will see as time goes on



I don't think we can tell for sure how well/bad the 3DS will do because, as of now, it sucks as a gaming platform. There's almost no reason to buy one right now. We'll see how it does when it gets some games.



Those who say Nintendo should release its IP on a platform that isn't their own, PARTICULARLY in an arena they are competing in, need to look at one company and see the net results of that: Sega.

Back in the day, when Sega was bailing out of the console market, and in the console war period of that day, you had individuals in the Sony camp CHEERING how they could now finally get Sega's stuff.  What happened next to Sega, as I predicted that time?  They became a marginal player.  When you don't have your own platform, you just aren't important.  No site, or videogame magazine, will give you your own section.  Anyone see Sega as a section on this website?  Heck, anyone see Atari on here? Atari is even more irrelevant than Sega at this point.

As Nintendo has stated over and over and over, when discussing things, they design their platforms to meet what their designers want to do.  Take that way from them, and they don't have the control they seek.  

So, end result is no here.  By the way, Nintendo DID let their IP go on another platform in the past.  Mario and Link ended up on another platform.  And I don't mean the PC game title either, although that is one.  I mean another one.   And those who know what that is, can know why I say what I am saying now.



richardhutnik said:

So, end result is no here.  By the way, Nintendo DID let their IP go on another platform in the past.  Mario and Link ended up on another platform.  And I don't mean the PC game title either, although that is one.  I mean another one.   And those who know what that is, can know why I say what I am saying now.


What other console?



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ioi said:
kowenicki said:


Wow, I think you are miles off there...

My wife is a very casual gamer, she had a DS that she bought and occasionaly played... now she has an iphone.  Shes happy with the iphone and using my ipad2, she would never biuy a dedicated handheld ever again.  There will be millions just like this.

Also, I agree with what you yourself say "3-4 years from now almost everyone will have a tablet by their side".  That, along with smartphones, will be enough for the vast majority of people when it comes to handheld gaming. 


YOUR iPad 2. Does she like playing the games enough to fork out £500 to buy one for herself at this stage?

In the short term, how many people spending £140 on a 3DS are going to consider a £400-500 iPad as an alternative?

Also, I think the consideration of a tablet as a handheld gaming machine is misguided. Of course the iPad is portable but I think it is more in competition with a PS4 than a PSV. I think most people using a tablet at the moment do so at home, not so much on the move. When the direct linkup to TV comes in the next year or two, tablets will be seen as a controller for the TV or a way of having your own version of what is showing on the TV - pretty much exactly what Nintendo are targetting with WiiU.

I think the issue here is considering tablets as being in competition with portable gaming machines rather than all gaming machines.


Yep I don't see tablets as competing with portables either.

Smartphones on the other hand.........

The issue for portable is do you continue trying to build your own portable machines of which at best you will send 100 million if it is very successfull or do you tap the increasingly growing smartphone market which is already much bigger than the portable market and probably will be a 500 million phones market in a few years...

The only issue there is that noone has yet demonstrated how successfull one can be selling apps for lets say 20-30$ instead of the current 1$ price point....

If you can successfully sell a rich gaming app for lets say 20$ , then inevitably the portable market will die as it just can not compete with the size of the smart phone market....

I mean selling 20 million Nintendogs at 50$ or selling 100 millions at 20$ ? The choice isn't hard......



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

ioi said:
kowenicki said:


Wow, I think you are miles off there...

My wife is a very casual gamer, she had a DS that she bought and occasionaly played... now she has an iphone.  Shes happy with the iphone and using my ipad2, she would never biuy a dedicated handheld ever again.  There will be millions just like this.

Also, I agree with what you yourself say "3-4 years from now almost everyone will have a tablet by their side".  That, along with smartphones, will be enough for the vast majority of people when it comes to handheld gaming. 


YOUR iPad 2. Does she like playing the games enough to fork out £500 to buy one for herself at this stage?

In the short term, how many people spending £140 on a 3DS are going to consider a £400-500 iPad as an alternative?

Also, I think the consideration of a tablet as a handheld gaming machine is misguided. Of course the iPad is portable but I think it is more in competition with a PS4 than a PSV. I think most people using a tablet at the moment do so at home, not so much on the move. When the direct linkup to TV comes in the next year or two, tablets will be seen as a controller for the TV or a way of having your own version of what is showing on the TV - pretty much exactly what Nintendo are targetting with WiiU.

I think the issue here is considering tablets as being in competition with portable gaming machines rather than all gaming machines.

Thing is that people buy a smart phone or tablet, for other reasons, and the games go along with it.  This is similar to what you have in regards to owning a computer.  For someone who isn't a core gamer, they will end up being happy with Angry Birds.  Games are a pleasant distraction to help wind down, kill some time, and so on.  People get tablets as a luggable device to access documents, and the Internet, rather than use a computer.  For myself, I will be looking into getting an Android tablet later this year, because I need to bring rules for games I created with me, and not printing out pages and pages of PDFs to lug around.  End result of my need for this, it makes me ponder getting a 3DS or even a Vita.  Getting those would be in addition to what I need for more pressing matters.  And if resources are limited for me, it comes to practical need over core gaming want.



Jay520 said:
richardhutnik said:

So, end result is no here.  By the way, Nintendo DID let their IP go on another platform in the past.  Mario and Link ended up on another platform.  And I don't mean the PC game title either, although that is one.  I mean another one.   And those who know what that is, can know why I say what I am saying now.


What other console?

I am not going to say.  Let's just say the Link (Zelda) title in particular is so legendarily bad, that people who know of it, intentionally forget that it exists, and pretend it never came out.  

 

Ok, you REALLY do want a hit?  Look up Hotel Mario.



richardhutnik said:
Jay520 said:
richardhutnik said:

So, end result is no here.  By the way, Nintendo DID let their IP go on another platform in the past.  Mario and Link ended up on another platform.  And I don't mean the PC game title either, although that is one.  I mean another one.   And those who know what that is, can know why I say what I am saying now.


What other console?

I am not going to say.  Let's just say the Link (Zelda) title in particular is so legendarily bad, that people who know of it, intentionally forget that it exists, and pretend it never came out.  

Was it a Sega console? Atari?



The one issue portable maker will be facing for sure in the future by the way is the fact it is going to be harder and harder to sell the portable machine at a profit when competing with a smart phone market where technology and price will evolve a lot faster due to the high volume and the fierce competition between phone makers.......

And yeah I don't necessary think that all of Nintendo's game would be well suited for smart-phones, but something like Nintendogs or Pokemon ?



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !