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Forums - General - Canadians!!! Will the Liberal Party Ever Recover?

Like all Canadians know after the May 2nd Election the oldest and most influenential party had a defeat that...well you know what.From 77 to 34 seats,can the party ever rebuild,or is the NDP the new power in Politics.

Before Election  and Results

Liberal 77     34

NDP 36         103

Conservative 143    166



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Until the Liberals stop blaming all of their problems on their leaders (Martin, Dion, Ignatieff) and start rebuilding by reaching out to the grass-roots and abandoning their multi-decade old repeatedly-broken promises they call a platform they can't recover.



Eventually...but even then it might not be because they made the right moves - it just might mean that one of the other parties effed up.



Well at one point the Conservatives almost collapsed. In Canada political parties are never safe and the country evolves over time. Now I think what happened this time is that the Liberal's made a few key mistakes.

-First they talked about a coalition Government. Big mistake as many of their supporters were center and center right politically. They back tracked under Ignatief and said they wouldn't do one. But to this day the NDP still says they expect a merger and agreement with the Liberals. The Liberal's pretty much showed they were willing to merge with the Bloc and NDP to form a Government.

-Forcing an election. The last two elections that have occured in Canada were called by the Liberals. Now some say the Conservatives made it impossible for the Liberals to work with them. But thats not the point infact only months after loosing the first election they called they were talking about another election. The Liberals weren't satisfied in opposition they had to rule and just because they lost the vote didn't mean they would settle for opposition. Them constantly calling elections got alot of Canadians pissed off.

- Liberals going left wing. As I said earlier many Liberals were center and right wing. I know several people who thought the Liberals were a good alternative to the Conservative Party. However when the Liberals started going left wing alot of their center and center right members jumped ship. The Liberal Party for the past decade or so have been known for being near the center, not left or right winged.

-Quebec, the Liberal Party mentioned Quebec as a nation. Now sure Ignatieff and the Liberals were against Quebec leaving they zero'd in on Quebec alot.

- Ignatieff, some say the leader wasn't responsable. But Ignatieff spent most or at least alot of his life in America and Britian etc...etc... he came back to join the Liberals but this hurt his credability. He also bounced back and fourth on issues and wasn't seen as a strong leader. He was also pretty arrogant even after loosing so badly at the end of the last election he said he would stay on as leader of the Liberal Party as long as they wanted him. Like the next day it was announced that they did not want him.

In the end I don't think this is the end of the Liberal Party. I really hope it isn't while being Conservative and against the Liberal Party I would not want to see them killed off. I also would not want to see the Liberal Party merge with the NDP. I do not want a two party Government like the US. I don't want a Right wing government or a left wing government to be both opposition and leader. I think the Liberals play a roll in ensuring neither right wing nor left wing rule the country unnopposed.

In the end I think the Liberals could claw back some seats next election. For the time being I think Canada will go on to be lead by the Conservatives with an NDP opposition. But say 2-3 elections from now the Liberals could be back in power. They just need to regroup focus on retaking some ground from the NDP/Conservatives and be very patient!

Canada wants a multiparty democracy, not two party (Like the US). Their will be a place for the Liberal Party as long as they want one!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Generally a crushing defeat doesn't kill a major party - it sends them off to reinvent themselves over a period of a few terms of government.

Canadian Liberal party has been crushed before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1958

I reckon it will survive.



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Now that NDP is lead by a former separatist many will flock back to the liberal party.



Rath said:
Generally a crushing defeat doesn't kill a major party - it sends them off to reinvent themselves over a period of a few terms of government.

Canadian Liberal party has been crushed before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1958

I reckon it will survive.

not the same at all.   they were essentially replaced by the NDP this time.   



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MrBubbles said:
Rath said:
Generally a crushing defeat doesn't kill a major party - it sends them off to reinvent themselves over a period of a few terms of government.

Canadian Liberal party has been crushed before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1958

I reckon it will survive.

not the same at all.   they were essentially replaced by the NDP this time.   

As long as they don't merge with the NDP there will always be room for a center political party. The biggest problem this election is they targetted the left. If they had remained in the center they would have gotten votes from both more conservative voters and more liberal voters. But because they went after the NDP and completely ignored their center and right wing supporters they lost the election very badly.

Also I doubt the NDP can maintain this support in the next election. I mean the majority of their power comes from Quebec. If they can't keep Quebec happy then they too will take a serious hit next election. I know several ex-liberals who voted Conservative in the election. Partially  due to me but they were pretty pissed at some of the Liberal's more left wing stances!



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer