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Would The Xbox Brand Be More Successful Without The Live Fee

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worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
xbox live is p2p I don't get what the fuck people are paying for, if Microsoft could have offered online for free and a good communication system then yes what other feature are so important?? facebook? twitter??



Oh wow, this is ignorance at best. Live is not P2P, there are many games that use dedicated servers on Live i can name a few, EVERY EA & VAVLE game, Forza, Frontlines, Gears, ect. Just because many of the games use p2p that dosn't mean that Live is P2P, its up to the developers to decide if they want to use dedicated servers or not.  The service it self is ran on MS dedicated servers which are much more stable, faster, and secure than Sony's PSN.

I see a lot of comments like and yours with a lot of replies like mine, please can you and everyone else who makes this claim just stop, cause you guys are just randomly pulling this claim that LIVE is P2P out of your asses when there  are facts agianst you.

Most of the games you mentionned are from third parties... Microsft get 100% off xbox live subcription fee yet third parties are the one offering the servers . all Sony's first partie title offer dedicated servers for free Microsoft doesn't this is why you don't see many games on the xbox offering multiplayer games with more then 16 players. can you provide the facts that state live is not p2p please?

 The point you made is that Xbox Live is P2P, I proved you wrong by listing games and two whole developers that make games for Xbox that run on dedicated servers, why your being so childish about this i do not know. Spin it in how many ways you want in your first comment you did not mention anything about first party, third party, who host this who host that, how many people playing, or where the money is going all you said was Live is P2P. So i posted a reply by listing games on Live that run on dedicated servers, both being third party and FIRST party. So it really dosn't matter how you spin it because you would still be wrong.

Also why do i need to proved facts that state Live runs on MS servers? Its common sense, because it is. So your telling me that when i turn on my Xbox and stream a movie, or download a demo all that is being hosted by another kids Xbox? Oh please just stop. You said Live is P2P i proved you wrong, just accept it, there is no shame in manning up and realizing your mistakes the more you continue arguing with me the more of fanboy you will make your self look. And i doubt your really are a fanboy you just seem misinformed and cant accept facts. It dosnt matter where the money goes, how many people are playing, or who host the dedicated servers, the point you made from the very beginning is Live is P2P i proved you wrong, accept it and move on along with everyone else who keeps saying live is P2P.

lol most people use xbox live to play online which for 80% and more of the games is p2p or client server based i don't know what you find so hard to understand, now your saying streaming and downloading movies is why you pay for live as if you can't do that on ps3 or pc for free, if you like paying to play online good for you and good for microsoft I guess,  I'll be doing the same thing for free. good day



I have perfect understanding of what i was trying to say to that kid, maybe you should read what i am saying carefully than just jumping in to defend your fellow fanboy. What you replied to me saying has absolutely nothing to do with what i am talking about, where did i say i pay for live to watch movies? Please highlight it.  When i mention movies i was trying to prove to him that Live runs on MS servers, it is not P2P. The service that is live itself, the thing you use to download MOVIEs, music, demos, themes, use the radio, ect is all ran on MS servers, not someone else’s internet connection. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING, where your got that whole crap about I  pay for live to watch movies was clearly pulled from your ass.

Plus why does it matter how many games are P2P or dedicated? The whole argument was about that Xbox has games that run on dedicated servers, it doesn’t matter how much games are p2p or dedicated there are games on live that use dedicated servers. So that whole argument that Live is p2p is void, why people like you insist that live is p2p i do not know. I guess it’s because it’s a typical ps3 fanboy argument that is used against Xbox Live and even though its proven to be wrong, you just can’t accept it. Something’s never change I guess and fanboys are no different including yourself.

 

P.S i don’t like calling people fanboys, but with an idiotic reply like yours i am all but certain that you are one.

 

 

 

from the get go i was talking about gaming online being p2p, then you come with some stupid shit about downloading demos and streaming being on microsoft servers, as if I didn't know about that, to clame that xbox live is not p2p, then your next proof is that there are few games who uses servers therefore live is not p2p, really,sorry dude that's just retarded, the truth is most, i repeat, most xbox live games are p2p so you are paying to play online using a peer to peer system for the majority of the console online games catalog which is stupid, look at my gaming catalog before calling me a fanboy, if you enjoy paying to play online good for you. Personnaly I don't, have a nice day



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You pay for the extra features, extra content, regular updates of content and people's personal confidential information is safe and secure on XBox Live.

XBox Live provides a great online gaming experience and it is well worth the subscription fees. The revenue brought in from a growing XBox Live subscription membership fee helps boost Microsoft's gaming divisions bottom line.



Well that is my problem, where does the money go? Surely some goes to maintaining the servers and getting content but XBL has a policy against free stuff on the MarketPlace ( I  heard developers say this in articles multiple times) and the first party support of MS is really bad nowadays.

 

Whereever that 50 bucks go, it's not evident compared to PSN.

 



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Yes it would have been more successful. PSN pretty much matches xbox live in features besides party chat and voice mail which, as someone stated before, may be a negative. Both have games that run on P2P servers. In fact the PS3 has more games that run on dedicated servers than the xbox. People are paying $50 a year because they "think" they are getting a better service even though its pretty much matches PSN which is free. PSN on the PS3 would have also likely got the party chat but there are probably ram issues or something since PS Vita is getting it. Also I think people tend to forget about steam which also has voice chat and chat rooms. If xbox live was free more people would not be hesitant in buying a service that should be free.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
You pay for the extra features, extra content, regular updates of content and people's personal confidential information is safe and secure on XBox Live.

XBox Live provides a great online gaming experience and it is well worth the subscription fees. The revenue brought in from a growing XBox Live subscription membership fee helps boost Microsoft's gaming divisions bottom line.


extra features? like netflix (free on both PSN and wii). but i do think most of the xbox live revenue goes into the ability to get DLC first.



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chapset said:
worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
worldlyfall said:
chapset said:
xbox live is p2p I don't get what the fuck people are paying for, if Microsoft could have offered online for free and a good communication system then yes what other feature are so important?? facebook? twitter??



Oh wow, this is ignorance at best. Live is not P2P, there are many games that use dedicated servers on Live i can name a few, EVERY EA & VAVLE game, Forza, Frontlines, Gears, ect. Just because many of the games use p2p that dosn't mean that Live is P2P, its up to the developers to decide if they want to use dedicated servers or not.  The service it self is ran on MS dedicated servers which are much more stable, faster, and secure than Sony's PSN.

I see a lot of comments like and yours with a lot of replies like mine, please can you and everyone else who makes this claim just stop, cause you guys are just randomly pulling this claim that LIVE is P2P out of your asses when there  are facts agianst you.

Most of the games you mentionned are from third parties... Microsft get 100% off xbox live subcription fee yet third parties are the one offering the servers . all Sony's first partie title offer dedicated servers for free Microsoft doesn't this is why you don't see many games on the xbox offering multiplayer games with more then 16 players. can you provide the facts that state live is not p2p please?

 The point you made is that Xbox Live is P2P, I proved you wrong by listing games and two whole developers that make games for Xbox that run on dedicated servers, why your being so childish about this i do not know. Spin it in how many ways you want in your first comment you did not mention anything about first party, third party, who host this who host that, how many people playing, or where the money is going all you said was Live is P2P. So i posted a reply by listing games on Live that run on dedicated servers, both being third party and FIRST party. So it really dosn't matter how you spin it because you would still be wrong.

Also why do i need to proved facts that state Live runs on MS servers? Its common sense, because it is. So your telling me that when i turn on my Xbox and stream a movie, or download a demo all that is being hosted by another kids Xbox? Oh please just stop. You said Live is P2P i proved you wrong, just accept it, there is no shame in manning up and realizing your mistakes the more you continue arguing with me the more of fanboy you will make your self look. And i doubt your really are a fanboy you just seem misinformed and cant accept facts. It dosnt matter where the money goes, how many people are playing, or who host the dedicated servers, the point you made from the very beginning is Live is P2P i proved you wrong, accept it and move on along with everyone else who keeps saying live is P2P.

lol most people use xbox live to play online which for 80% and more of the games is p2p or client server based i don't know what you find so hard to understand, now your saying streaming and downloading movies is why you pay for live as if you can't do that on ps3 or pc for free, if you like paying to play online good for you and good for microsoft I guess,  I'll be doing the same thing for free. good day



 

I have perfect understanding of what i was trying to say to that kid, maybe you should read what i am saying carefully than just jumping in to defend your fellow fanboy. What you replied to me saying has absolutely nothing to do with what i am talking about, where did i say i pay for live to watch movies? Please highlight it.  When i mention movies i was trying to prove to him that Live runs on MS servers, it is not P2P. The service that is live itself, the thing you use to download MOVIEs, music, demos, themes, use the radio, ect is all ran on MS servers, not someone else’s internet connection. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING, where your got that whole crap about I  pay for live to watch movies was clearly pulled from your ass.

Plus why does it matter how many games are P2P or dedicated? The whole argument was about that Xbox has games that run on dedicated servers, it doesn’t matter how much games are p2p or dedicated there are games on live that use dedicated servers. So that whole argument that Live is p2p is void, why people like you insist that live is p2p i do not know. I guess it’s because it’s a typical ps3 fanboy argument that is used against Xbox Live and even though its proven to be wrong, you just can’t accept it. Something’s never change I guess and fanboys are no different including yourself.

 

P.S i don’t like calling people fanboys, but with an idiotic reply like yours i am all but certain that you are one.

 

 

 

from the get go i was talking about gaming online being p2p, then you come with some stupid shit about downloading demos and streaming being on microsoft servers, as if I didn't know about that, to clame that xbox live is not p2p, then your next proof is that there are few games who uses servers therefore live is not p2p, really,sorry dude that's just retarded, the truth is most, i repeat, most xbox live games are p2p so you are paying to play online using a peer to peer system for the majority of the console online games catalog which is stupid, look at my gaming catalog before calling me a fanboy, if you enjoy paying to play online good for you. Personnaly I don't, have a nice day

 

The person I started responding to first said Live is P2P, not online gaming on live is p2p just that live is P2P. What that means since you seem to lack any reading comprehension is that Xbox Live is just P2P, the entire service is P2P, that’s what I was trying to prove wrong. Maybe you should read the entire argument then just jumping in. You made no indication that you were just talking about Online Gaming, in which you still would be wrong since there are a lot of games on Live that use dedicated servers. You can keep saying most games are P2P, the fact is that there still games out there that use dedicated servers, so I really don’t see why you are arguing since I never denied that most games are P2P. I said it many times before you replied to my post that I do care how many games use P2P or dedicated servers, so stop mentioning it. All I wanted to say was Live is not a P2P service. There may be games that use P2P, but the service itself is not. Just by reading your two comments what I get from you is that you’re not arguing if Live is P2P or not, since you will lose. You’re trying to argue that Live and Psn are the same and one is free while the other is not. If you think Psn is at the same level as live than by all means believe what you want if it makes you sleep better at night, but that’s not what I am arguing about, so as you say have a nice day.  



more successful - yes

alot more successful - no


xbox will not be successful in different place and get be very popular till the target all types of genre unlike now and make products according to the needs of all people



It would maybe sell more but definelty not more successful. And I don't think people mind paying 60 bucks a month in the west where I live for good service. Although PSN is now almost or equally as good as Xbox Live. So it's losing some sales there



dsage01 said:
It would maybe sell more but definelty not more successful. And I don't think people mind paying 60 bucks a month in the west where I live for good service. Although PSN is now almost or equally as good as Xbox Live. So it's losing some sales there


I mind.....a little.



kowenicki said:


you might want to try that again... 

and where are these different places where it isnt successful aside from Japan.


JAPAN! oh-