"Anything can be hacked"

ok

"The problem is Sony did very little to prevent it"

personally i don't know but regardless in terms of xbl what does this mean? you just said anything can be hacked so regardless of what measures they have in place it can be hacked anyway if you really believe what you said

"Microsoft wouldn't be down for as long, if it ends up being down more then 2 days"

xbl live was down for almost 2 weeks in some areas in 2007 the cause wasn't hacking ( which happens on xbl a lot regardless of what you believe but obviously on a much lesser scale than the psn hack ), it was apparently caused by server strain... which xbl fees are supposed to alleviate

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/22/xbox-live-suffering-from-major-outage-on-christmas-weekend-ouc/

http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/31/xbox-live-still-up-and-down-ten-days-later/

Um yeah the servers had problems for two weeks and it was on and off, they weren't down. It was no where near the scale of PSN problems, basically your matches were laggy but chat was fine and I had no problems dling anything in those weeks. When PSN was down you could do pretty much nothing.

My point is MS has put in more preventive measures to stop hacking, otherwise lulzsec wouldn't take down Live. Does anyone honestly thing lulzsec didn't touch Microsoft because they love them?  Microsoft puts their money towards a more robust online interface as well as server stability, and coming with Gears 3 you'll have dedicated servers. What has Sony done with their "paid" service of Playstation Plus? They give discounted games and free games, but have done nothing to prove their servers will be reliable in the future.

"Um yeah the servers had problems for two weeks and it was on and off, they weren't down. It was no where near the scale of PSN problems, basically your matches were laggy but chat was fine and I had no problems dling anything in those weeks. When PSN was down you could do pretty much nothing."

as i said "xbl live was down for almost 2 weeks in some areas" in some areas... while the service may have been fine for you there were several people who were unable to acces it

"My point is MS has put in more preventive measures to stop hacking, otherwise lulzsec wouldn't take down Live"

ok according to you their service is better protected but my point from before is if it can be hacked anyway what does it matter... i've seen several cases of lone wolf hackers hacking live with ease recent cases are the ones with the chief of security and michael patcher :

http://www.gossipgamers.com/xbox-lives-top-cop-stepto-hacked/

http://www.hotbloodedgaming.com/2011/05/30/industry-analyst-michael-pachter-has-his-xbox-live-account-hacked/

imo anyone who really believes that what happened with psn can't happen with live needs to wake up

"Microsoft puts their money towards a more robust online interface as well as server stability, and coming with Gears 3 you'll have dedicated servers. What has Sony done with their "paid" service of Playstation Plus? They give discounted games and free games, but have done nothing to prove their servers will be reliable in the future."

its amusing to me that you mention gears having dedicated servers then ask what sony has done with their servers... many ms first party games like halo, gears, etc have ran on p2p servers which in the case of games like gears 2 caused issues online meanwhile almost all sony first party games run dedicated servers

psn users don't have to care about psplus they have access to what i'd say is a comparable set of online features for free with the exception of cross game chat and the party system

I honestly didn't know about all PS3 games running on dedicated servers, so that is news to me.

Either way I still stick by what I said about XBox Live until the hackers prove everyone wrong and XBL goes down for a solid 2+ days (IE no playing of games, chat or downloading. It would be unprecedented).

PSN users do have to ultimately care about PS+ because Sony will eventually charge for online services if PS+ becomes very successful, as Sony would view that as a major source of income to replace further losses on future products (PS Vita and PS4) if you look at how much Microsoft has lost after development and RROD costs, imagine how much MS would have lost without Live? It's more then just subscriptions to, It's advertisement from other companies, etc.

Anyways, if people want to game on the PS3 or Wii then go for it. I am content with the XBL service and I feel It's unmatched on consoles, and worth the small price of $40 a year (I buy the cards on sale, never paid full price thats why I say $40)

"prove everyone wrong and XBL goes down for a solid 2+ days (IE no playing of games, chat or downloading. It would be unprecedented)."

as i said already happened but not because of hackers but regardless if you really believe that the measures microsoft has in place can stop hackers then theres no point in discussing this further

"Sony will eventually charge for online services if PS+ becomes very successful"

if it does eventually happen as i said the way i see it psn is already comparable featurewise and yes i definitely agree that live has been a huge success for microsoft but i wasn't talking about it from microsoft's perspective but from the consumers

"I am content with the XBL service and I feel It's unmatched on consoles'

your opinion personally i disagree i don't see the price being worthwhile

Agree to disagree works with me.

I just had to point out that those  "hacks" aren't true hacks in the sense of what happened to Sony. Those hacks were done by doing the forget password method which any amature hacker can do. 

Now don't get me wrong I think it's possible that XBL could be hacked like PSN was but I really don't think it will happen.

oh ok

I have perfect understanding of what i was trying to say to that kid, maybe you should read what i am saying carefully than just jumping in to defend your fellow fanboy. What you replied to me saying has absolutely nothing to do with what i am talking about, where did i say i pay for live to watch movies? Please highlight it.  When i mention movies i was trying to prove to him that Live runs on MS servers, it is not P2P. The service that is live itself, the thing you use to download MOVIEs, music, demos, themes, use the radio, ect is all ran on MS servers, not someone else’s internet connection. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING, where your got that whole crap about I  pay for live to watch movies was clearly pulled from your ass.

Plus why does it matter how many games are P2P or dedicated? The whole argument was about that Xbox has games that run on dedicated servers, it doesn’t matter how much games are p2p or dedicated there are games on live that use dedicated servers. So that whole argument that Live is p2p is void, why people like you insist that live is p2p i do not know. I guess it’s because it’s a typical ps3 fanboy argument that is used against Xbox Live and even though its proven to be wrong, you just can’t accept it. Something’s never change I guess and fanboys are no different including yourself.

P.S i don’t like calling people fanboys, but with an idiotic reply like yours i am all but certain that you are one.

I have played over 70 hours of XBL at my step-brother and a few mates and although there is a difference in quality, I still believe its minimal. PSN has given an amazing free online experience and although XBL is slightly better, it is not worth 50 bucks a year more (some people might have to much cash on their hands and think it is). I am more impressed with the PSplus package (free games, discounts, excusive beta's etc.) then I am with the XBL package (few more features then PSN).

The Xbox Live fee is still way to high in my opinion and it is the biggest reason I still do not own a 360.