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Forums - Gaming - Full HD 3D (1080p per eye@60 fps) may be possible with 2012 made HDMI 1.4 TVs

I ran in to this surfing on 3D blogs - http://www.siliconimage.com/news/releasedetails.aspx?id=647

"...today announced two port processors, the SiI9587-3 and SiI9589-3, and the SiI9136-3 HDMI transmitter—all supporting HDMI® 1.4a with 300MHz speeds.  Next-generation consumer electronics (CE) products – such as 4Kx2K DTVs, 4Kx2K camcorders, and 3D gaming systems – are expected to support 300MHz HDMI interfaces to transmit and display the latest 4K content and high frame-rate 1080p full HD 3D games."

To explain, 2010 and 2011 3D TVs can not do 3D @1080p and 60 frames per second because the HDMI chips are not fast enough. They are only able to do 1080p @ 24 frames per second max which works fine for 3D bluray, however it can't be used for gaming. This means that all 3D gaming is forced to use 720p@60. This isn't a problem for PS3 and 360 but PCs are fully capable in displaying games in 1080p 3D and up until now PC gamers with these 3D HDTVs were forced to use 720p resolution.

Hopefully most of next years 3D TVs (as well as projectors) will use the 300mhz HDMI chips to enable 1080p@60 3D for PC users as well as PS4 and Xbox720 if they are powerful enough to do it. So if you're considering buying a 3D TV, and are the type of person who buys a TV every 10 years...wait till next year!



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Yes please! That's one of the things I've been waiting for in 3D TVs!



Rainbird said:

Yes please! That's one of the things I've been waiting for in 3D TVs!

And this is not just for gaming.

Avatar II and the Hobbit are both going to be shot in 48 frames per second and 3D(instead of usual 24). People with 2010 and 2011 3D TVs will not see those movies in best 3D quality.



How can processors not be fast enough already? If an "HDMI chip" can't do it, but in a general purpose ARM CPU.

Why do specialised coprocessors even exist today?

"Avatar II and the Hobbit are both going to be shot in 48 frames per second and 3D(instead of usual 24). People with 2010 and 2011 3D TVs will not see those movies in best 3D quality."

I knew this would happen. TV manufacturers want TV features to be on a yearly upgrade cycle (with 720p -> 1080p -> internet enabled -> 3D -> new 3D) while TV buyers only want to pay once and have it last 10 years. That conflict will come into sharp relief when people buy something saying "3D" and get told they aren't getting the best picture even with a 3DTV.



disolitude said:
Rainbird said:

Yes please! That's one of the things I've been waiting for in 3D TVs!

And this is not just for gaming.

Avatar II and the Hobbit are both going to be shot in 48 frames per second and 3D(instead of usual 24). People with 2010 and 2011 3D TVs will not see those movies in best 3D quality.

All the merrier! Now we just need that standard for the glasses to come through, and most of my gripes with 3D TVs will be taken care of!



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Soleron said:
How can processors not be fast enough already? If an "HDMI chip" can't do it, but in a general purpose ARM CPU.

Why do specialised coprocessors even exist today?

I really don't know why they are not fast enough. Most likely its a financial reason. Like one of those, "too many 230 mhz HDMI chips at the warehouse, why bother buying new faster ones?"

The 1.4 HDMI cable it self can push something like 10.2 gb/s but the chips used at the moment are not fast enough to send or accept even half that.

"I knew this would happen. TV manufacturers want TV features to be on a yearly upgrade cycle (with 720p -> 1080p -> internet enabled -> 3D -> new 3D) while TV buyers only want to pay once and have it last 10 years. That conflict will come into sharp relief when people buy something saying "3D" and get told they aren't getting the best picture even with a 3DTV."

This is the 3rd time it happened with 3D. In 2007, Samsung and Mistubishi started selling "3D ready" TVs. They were Texas instruments DLP tech based and vere actually pretty good. They could do 1080p per eye@60, by hiding half of the pixels in a checkerboard pattern. Then sometime in 2009, that idea was scrapped for HDMI 1.4, which all manufacturers decided to support.

Today its widely known that HDMI 1.4 so far has been inferior in 3D quality compared to DLP checkerboard. But we will see what happens next year.

I wonder how long consumers can take constant crap like this though... every few years, something which should have been included from the get go is intoduced. To watch Avatar 2 people will need new 3D bluray players, TVs, receivers...everything.



Soleron said:

How can processors not be fast enough already? If an "HDMI chip" can't do it, but in a general purpose ARM CPU.

Why do specialised coprocessors even exist today?

"Avatar II and the Hobbit are both going to be shot in 48 frames per second and 3D(instead of usual 24). People with 2010 and 2011 3D TVs will not see those movies in best 3D quality."

I knew this would happen. TV manufacturers want TV features to be on a yearly upgrade cycle (with 720p -> 1080p -> internet enabled -> 3D -> new 3D) while TV buyers only want to pay once and have it last 10 years. That conflict will come into sharp relief when people buy something saying "3D" and get told they aren't getting the best picture even with a 3DTV.


it won't matter -- 3D is going to end up a fad.



Ooo so Ill get to do more Math and pull out the old calculator again soon eh?



Ssenkahdavic said:

Ooo so Ill get to do more Math and pull out the old calculator again soon eh?

Haha, totally. Go for it... You are one of the few that gets this and is good enough in math to be able to calculate howmany jiggawatts these TVs will use :)



Fantastic, well since I buy a new TV every 2 years anyway I will be buying a new TV about the time these have been out a while, and will get one