Cipherr said:
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Cipherr said:
blowfish said:
Cipherr said:
============ Nintendo's best selling console, when they had a commanding monopoly, was 60 million units. They have yet to prove Wii is more than just a fad. If they can keep this system going for more than a couple years, maybe we can say otherwise, but as it stands now, there is no reason to believe Nintendo can or will even hit 60 million, let alone 100 million. ============ Sometimes I wonder if some people even read the things they write or just start typing blindly. How do you say something like the above, yet stand firm on the idea that Sony can turn things around on a dime? I mean, basically whats being said here is that Nintendo has yet to prove it can succeed in staying anywhere near as stable sales wise as they have so far, despite the trending, and record breaking they are currently enjoying. Then in the same breathe saying that is IS reasonable to believe that Sony, who is hitting all times lows left and right trending worse than the last gen failure the GC will rise above all, achieving something never before done in console history to regain the #1 spot? Im sorry, its just a bit of lunacy to throw so much weight behind the idea that the console that is breaking records left and right with unbelievable demand that shows no signs of slowing down is going to somehow, someday halt, and the console that is on life support is going to spring from the ashes like a phoenix and destroy everything in its path. You can most definitely say that its POSSIBLE, because it certainly is. But for those of you that are going way overboard by saying theres no way that the Wii can last despite its stellar performance then going on to say theres no way the PS3 wont rise to #1 despite its horrible performance, I hold you guys in the same space as the crazy Nintendo fans of last gen that ignored reality for about 4 and a half years and jumped from release to release claiming it to be the game that would "right the ship". The same type of behavior we have already seen with the "Wait until VF5" or "Wait until Motorstorm" "Wait for Gundam!" and don't forget "Wait until March NPD, LBP and Home announcements will boost demand!". Now we are in the "Wait until Lair" "Wait until MGS" "Wait until FFantasy" stages. I cant help but feel I'm watching a rerun. Ive seen all of this before. |
The problem with what your saying and what alot of nintendo fanboys fail to understand is you can't sell 100+ million consoles unless you appeal to all demographics. The wii right now does not cater for online gaming and even tho it will eventually it won't be in the same league as the 360 or even the ps3. It doesnt appeal to racing enthusiasts, fps fans, 3d fighter fans, rts fans or mature games fans. And before anybody jumps in and tries to claim the wii has excite truck so their for it appeals to racing enthusiasts just stop right their. 1 or 2 games that to begin with aren't that good anyway doesn't now mean that console is sorted for a genre. The wii right now appeals to nintendo fans, mini game/non game fans and kids. Those 3 genres aren't enough to get the wii to over 100+ million let alone win the console war. The xbox360 is going to get a price drop and halo will be out soon, its biggest franchise and that will boost sales. The ps3 will also get a price drop but so far none of the ps2's top 15 exclusive games from last generation have come out for the ps3 yet. How can anybody judge the ps3 without any of its proven top games coming out?? People need to step back and get a reality check. |
And I'm going to take your own logic and throw it right back into your face. Because if we take things YOUR way the PS3 is destined to fail, horribly. You yourself are judging what the Wii "caters" to STRICTLY by what it has released in the first 5 months of its lifespan ALONE. So if we are making sweeping judgments based ONLY on what we have seen so far, the PS3 will struggle in Japan until the end of this generation, and will continue to be bested by the GBA in the US? You are judging the Wii's demographic based ONLY on what has been released in the first 5 month when a consoles lifespan is over 5 bloody years! The FACT of the matter is you are the one wrapped up in the 'console wars' not me. You are living in a fantasy land where the CONSOLE itself decides its demographic, and you couldnt be more wrong. The software decides which demographic the console is catered towards NOT the other way around. And as of right now its far FAR too early to tell where the software is going to go a year from now (especially with insane stuff like DQ9 going to the DS, you never know WHATS going to happen nowadays). History in this industry tells us major 3rd party support rallies behind the hardware sold market leader. This is what the Nintendo fans cling to as assurance for Wii domination, and rightfully so. However, this gen there are MAJOR differences, as with the consoles being somewhat segmented because of the lack of horsepower with the Wii. Will that be enough to keep 3rd parties away despite the Wii becoming the WW hardware leader? This is the idea most Sony and MS fans are questioning, and rightfully so as well. We don't have enough information for any of this yet. But it is definitely leaning one way a little more than the other at this point. Another thing you go on to say is that a console cannot sell 100 million without appealing to EVERY demographic. Which is ludicrous considering no console has EVER appealed to EVERY demographic in existence, maybe you were exaggerating, but its hard to tell on these boards. What you MEANT to say is that NO console can sell 100 million without catering to the casual market. The casual market is the largest of the pie by far. The racing fighting hardcore enthusiast you are talking about are the minority. There are FAR more people out there that don't play games at ALL than there are that do. If one could reach into those areas, there are tons of opportunities to sell many more consoles than ever. We believe this is what Nintendo is trying to do. Will they manage to pull it off? I doubt it personally, but whatever, its working for them so far so more power to them. And finally please stop with the "Don't judge PS3 before any of its big guns drop!" Because none of the 3 companies have dropped any of their BIG guns yet except for GoW on MS side. Please RE READ the previous statement and let it sink in. GoW Zelda and Resistance is ALL we have seen this gen. Sony isnt the only one sitting on a stack of 3+ million worldwide selling IP's just laying in the wake waiting to give console sales a shot in the arm mate, so please stop acting like thats the case. Besides, you don't seem to have a problem judging the Wii without its large titles released. The hypocrisy is giving me a headache. |
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Im judging the wii on what is out now and what is coming out in the future. Most of the games are either mini games, non games, kiddie games, multi format games and a few nintendo games sprinkled on top. Software wins out in the end and for the rest of this year the ps3's and 360's software is of better quality compared to the wii. The problem with your third party going to the top selling hardware arguement this time round, is the wii is nothing like the 360 or the ps3, it is significantly less powerful. Yes last gen the ps2 was less powerful than the gamecube and xbox but no where near the same extent the wii is less powerful than the ps3 and 360. If developers start choosing the wii as their lead platform then tried porting these games to the 360 and ps3 their would be a huge uproar and the gamers would reject these wii ports. Loosing out on the 360 and ps3 market would be a huge loss and makes no sense to the developers when at the very least for most of this generation the 360 and ps3's total hardware install base will be greater than the wii's hardware install base. It makes far more sense to third parties to make either the 360 or ps3 the lead platform then down grade the game to the wii, as it's far easier to do and owners of the wii won't know any different. The casual market as it stands doesnt equal 100 million and nor does the hardcore market. You cant win the generation without having the majority of the best games. The wii isnt likely to ever have the best racing games, the best first person shooters, the best fighters or the best mature games. Lol yes both the wii and the 360 have had top proven exclusive franchises released for them, the ps3 hasnt yet. The wii has zelda and paper mario and the 360 has project gotham racing, dead or alive, elder scrolls and call of duty 2. The ps3 has the most proven top rated franchises left to come out and that will make a big difference wether you like it or not. |
Are you even TRYING anymore? You claim to judge the Wii by both its current and future titles. Then go and pigeonhole them all. Not only that but your ENTIRE ARGUMENT is OPINION based. You boldly say that one consoles lineup is flat out BETTER than the other. That may be true for YOU but you don't seem to want to accept that you != to everybody. If ALL it took to become market leader was to have good games available then the PS3 would be DESTROYING Wii right now, Resistance is >>>>>>>>>> Wii sports, Motorstorm is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Excite truck and VF5 alone craps all over everything else the Wii has released thusfar with maybe the exception of Zelda. But thats from MY point of view as a hardcore gamer that could give a crap less about bowling or some 10$ tech demo packed with a wiimote. These games however are mopping up even the high budget stellar titles from the competition because the casuals and non gamers are the MAJORITY. You can cry all you want about how its not possible to be market leader without the backing of the hardcore but you are WRONG. The casuals outnumber us by so much it is ridiculous. Whats even worse, is you go on to argue the very thing I said in the post you quoted! I clearly said that Nintendo fans believe in the user base view and PS3 fans believe in the power difference view. You go and type an entire paragraph saying exactly what I did... Why? Just like the Nintendo fans, your making a GUESS and you have no idea whats going to happen. Dont bring that "It wouldn't make sense for third parties to.." crap into the discussion, because it doesn't make sense honestly that the DS has dominated like it has, nor does it make sense that the PS3 is fresh off of the success of the mother of all consoles (PS2) is doing as bad as it is. Nothing about this gen so far makes much sense. The ps3 has the most proven top rated franchises left to come out and that will make a big difference wether you like it or not. You need to go back and count those titles your talking about. After you have gathered them, remove the ones that aren't substantial (1million sellers and above need only apply) then remove the ones that aren't exclusive, as their impact on console sales (which IS what this thread is about) will be negligible when they are available for another console that happens to be cheaper, then do the same for the other two. You are dead wrong. Sony does not have more PROVEN high seller franchises on the back burner right now than the other 2 consoles. As a matter of fact, the majority of Sonys large sellers are third party titles that could shift or move at any time. Learn the difference between a great game and a system seller. They are NOT one in the same. I'm probably wasting my time point out to you the difference between what you consider to be the "better lineup" vs the actual impact on hardware sold but whatever. What it comes down to is this, I just get this old school Gamecube fan vibe when you say things like "wait until later this year when these great games hit". Why? Because there are good and great PS3 games out now, and the Wii has like nothing.... It has a mediocre Zelda and Wii sports. Its doing better than everything WITHOUT having a good lineup, meanwhile the competition has a much better lineup and they are still getting smoked. And now your trying to tell me what later this year when PS3 gets a few more good games, (alot of them shared with the 360) and Wii gets its equally large software on to the market that somehow this is going to equate to a shift in console sales? This is suggesting that the better the library gets on the Wii the slower the console will sale? Right? It has NOTHING now, but when the killer apps finally arrive, it will be doomed? Whats more likely to happen IMO is the PS3 will see a surge in console sales and rightfully so as later this year the software will be even better. However, so will the Wii as its marquee titles hit the stores in time for the holidays. And finally the Xbox will ALSO surge in sales, likely more so than both of the others in the US due to Halo. The entire issue is if all 3 consoles surge in sales due to better software, how exactly is such a large market share deficit made up? Whether YOU like it or not, all 3 console will have a surge in great software later this year, and neither of the other two consoles are going to be standing still while the PS3 gains market share. |
Nope your still talking rubbish. Sorry to hear your finding it hard to accept that most of the games coming out for the wii or wii games that are already out are either mini games,non games, multi format games, kids games and a few nintendo games, thats not opinion, thats fact. Thats not enough to win the console war. No console in the history of gaming has won the console war without having the best games. The wii is weak in fps's, racing games, fighting games, mature games and action games. Then for genres like rpg's and sports games it's not the best either. The only thing it is best at is alternative games.
Yes it doesn't make sense for developers to make the wii the lead platform, if you do you make cr*p 360 and ps3 ports and most 360/ps3 users won't be happy with that and ignore the rubbish wii ports. It does make sense to continue using the 360 or ps3 as the lead platform and down port the games to wii as you annoy hardly any people.
The ds beat the psp because hand held gaming is only meant to be pick up and play. Handheld gaming is sitting on a bus or the tube and playing a game for 20 minutes while you're waiting to get some where. The ds software does this much better than the psp ever could. The psp also has a design flaw as it is meant to be a mini ps2 but it doesnt have a second analog stick, so trying to play ps2 style games becomes a pain in the a**.
Sony has more top rated proven exclusive franchises left to come out compared to the competition overall as well as just this year. Just using this year as an example.
ps3:
Singstar
Metal gear solid 4
Gran turismo 5 prologue
Ratchet and clank
Eye toy
killzone
Hotshots golf 5
360:
Forza 2
Halo 3
Then both the 360 and ps3 have but wii doesn't:
GRAW 2
Grand theft auto 4
Half life 2 the orange box
Mercenaries 2
Brothers in arms hells highway
Devil may cry 4
wii:
mario party 8
pokemon battle
Dragon quest swords
Mario galaxy if it comes out this year
Metroid prime 3 if it comes out this year
super smash brothers brawl if it comes out this year
Mario strikers charged
The wii doesnt have equally good software in terms of review scores or million sellers. And that list only covers proven games and not new ones where the ps3 has lair, heavenly sword, warhawk, the eye of judgement, little big plannet, playstation home and drakes uncharted.
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