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I think that the PS3 getting 100m consoles is an absolute impossibility. The primary reason again is price. The PS3 is twice the price in most markets vs. the PS2.

 The ONLY, and I mean ONLY way the PS3 could get 100m is if Sony kept it as the lead console for atleast 8 years. The PS2 has sold about 17.8m units per year. The PS3 is on track to get maybe 5m to 5.5m units it's first year (not including Nov-Dec this year, mind you). I don't expect the PS3 to average more tham 10m units a year over it's entire lifetime.

Again, due to the price it's not financially viable. Not only this, the marketplace is FAR more crowded. This time you don't have that wonderful position of most likely getting a 60% marketshare in every market. The Wii will own Japan, and should end at 50% or greater of the Japanese market, the 360 is becoming a beast in the US, and Europe has lots of options and systems available for Sony to get the same kind of penetration.

Think about it.......Last generation, we saw Sony with nearly a 65% marketshare. Right now it's at 20% and staying right there. Thats HUGE. Yes, the PS3 will do better, but it'd have to sell 200% more systems to get to that same level...It's not going to happen. Could it happen with revenue? Yes, and it probably will. However, with the pricetag, the units sold won't get near there.

Not only this, but we have seen that software sales are suffering. The 360 is dominating the US in software, the Wii is selling tons of systems for it's tier ratio, and the PS3 is mired in a near-Wii tier ratio. That's absolutely horrid. The 360 is at 5.5 games/system in the US, and the Wii and PS3 are still at 2.5 to 2.75. Sony needs to get more games in the hands of gamers to start making up major ground.



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Pk9394 said:

the ps3 will never reach 100 million mark here is why:

Looking at the install base of ps2 (130 mil)

AAA titles sold less than 5% of the total install base, we can safely assume there are huge percentage of ppl bought the ps2 and modify it to play pirated games.  we cant ignore how big this partion of users contributed to the 130 million install base of ps2.

now lets take a look at the cost of those pirated user for ps2

ps2 $200 + dvd burner 100$ + $100 mod fee = $400 a well mass market price, these price seem high because its base on when the ps2 was around $200 thats when the system really start selling huge and dvd burner price start to plummet.

now if those pirated users switch to ps3:

ps3 $600 + Blue Ray burner(this wont be cheap) + mod fee = (estimate)1.5k range price range for all those pirated user is too much, and if a blank BR discs cost like $10 thats alot of $$$.

and I'm not even account in the price a HDTV, lets just assume these cheap pirated user play on their cheap standard TVs.

even though these user never bought games, but they are significantly large to help boost the install base and convince 3rd party dev. to make game for the console.


According to you the AAA titles sold % of the PS2's.. can you show me this 5%?.. and how many users bought it for pirated games? and when you show me that include where you got it...

So according to you 100million+ PS2's sold because of pirated...



Kwaad said:
OriGin said:

Mario Party 8
Big Brain Academy
Pokemon Battle
Dragon Quest Swords
Mysims
Nights
Resident Evil UC
Mario Galaxy???
Metroid Prime 3???
Super Smash Bros Brawl???

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Boogie
Mario Strikers Charged
Resident Evil 4
Battalion Wars 2
WiiHealth
WiiMusic

Dewy's Adventure
Final Fantascy Crystal Chronicles
Mario & Sonic @ Olympics

Heh... well by half I suppose that was being a little too harsh, there are 9 games with a bit of a stretch on a couple of them (Boogie, RE4, Dewy and FFCC) but take them away and there are at least 5 more TOP games that fit into the quality catagory you've used for all the games in these lists.

The lineup for Wii looks so different though, I'm so glad I got a good specced PC!


Ok. I fixed those.


Kwaad wthell?!

 

1) Did you see Brain training on DS sell, or even Wii play...! Well, just add Wii music and Wii health back on the list!

2) Mario party games all made the 1 million mark ww... So add mario party 8 to the list too.

3) Dragon quest is big in Japan... So you can add that  back too...

 

And last but not least:

-No more heroes.

-Sadness.

-Disaster: Day of crisis. 

-Gundam 0079... (You Sony fans added Gundam mosou to your killer aps so i can put this one on the list too...) (And I still hear some Sony fans saying, watch Gundam Mosou, when that game comes out, PS3 is gonna take over Wii in sales....... And we're all still waiting...!)



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mrstickball said:

I think that the PS3 getting 100m consoles is an absolute impossibility. The primary reason again is price. The PS3 is twice the price in most markets vs. the PS2.

 The ONLY, and I mean ONLY way the PS3 could get 100m is if Sony kept it as the lead console for atleast 8 years. The PS2 has sold about 17.8m units per year. The PS3 is on track to get maybe 5m to 5.5m units it's first year (not including Nov-Dec this year, mind you). I don't expect the PS3 to average more tham 10m units a year over it's entire lifetime.

Again, due to the price it's not financially viable. Not only this, the marketplace is FAR more crowded. This time you don't have that wonderful position of most likely getting a 60% marketshare in every market. The Wii will own Japan, and should end at 50% or greater of the Japanese market, the 360 is becoming a beast in the US, and Europe has lots of options and systems available for Sony to get the same kind of penetration.

Think about it.......Last generation, we saw Sony with nearly a 65% marketshare. Right now it's at 20% and staying right there. Thats HUGE. Yes, the PS3 will do better, but it'd have to sell 200% more systems to get to that same level...It's not going to happen. Could it happen with revenue? Yes, and it probably will. However, with the pricetag, the units sold won't get near there.

Not only this, but we have seen that software sales are suffering. The 360 is dominating the US in software, the Wii is selling tons of systems for it's tier ratio, and the PS3 is mired in a near-Wii tier ratio. That's absolutely horrid. The 360 is at 5.5 games/system in the US, and the Wii and PS3 are still at 2.5 to 2.75. Sony needs to get more games in the hands of gamers to start making up major ground.


That's exactly it... The PRICE... You see this.. I see this.. Sony definately see's this... they have a market strategy to win this war and a few aces left... 360 will die out soon once it plays its final ace... HALO3... We dont exactly know what nintendo has in store besides a bunch of mario ......

When the price drops i assume they will go on a advertisement spree and start getting a steady flow of games... they will overtime get a greater market share then 20%.. they will more than likely reach 100mill but no more than that, it will not have the success of PS1 and PS2 because of the price! I believe the PS2 sold 130m and PS1 did 110m... PS3 will most likely get somewhere between 90-100m as the HDTV's are getting cheaper and are being sold to more consumers... HD penetartion is increasing..

GAMEPLAY>GRAPHICS...

But the sheep will never understand that and will go with the shinniest..



The last two PlayStation versions sold 40+ million units in the US. With that in mind, even if both Wii and 360 manage to get to 10-15 million units, it's still far from an insurmountable lead. Not ideal for sure, but there isn't going to be a hole Sony can't climb out of any time soon. Sony will have more support in Japan than Nintendo. Count on it. Konami and Square both continue to lean largely in Sony's favor. Koei's two Wii projects combined have sold 15k units... they're only going to humor Nintendo for so long, userbase or not. Capcom seems to be falling into the spinoff/last gen port role that's becoming so common. Bandai seems to be the only major publisher with a shot at taking Nintendo seriously, but they're just as in bed with Sony as anyone else. Nintendo's internal offerings will be strong to quite strong, but that won't do anything for third party sales, which won't do anything for third party support. The companies that aren't releasing games for PS3 in Japan aren't doing so because they're releasing games for Wii. They're doing so because they're releasing games for PS2. Nintendo's best selling console, when they had a commanding monopoly, was 60 million units. They have yet to prove Wii is more than just a fad. If they can keep this system going for more than a couple years, maybe we can say otherwise, but as it stands now, there is no reason to believe Nintendo can or will even hit 60 million, let alone 100 million. Microsoft's struggling in Europe and especially Japan, where it won't gain much traction no matter what. Sony, meanwhile, continues to have the brand and the developer support necessary to move units. They just need the price and the games to achieve it. Will they hit 100 million? Perhaps not. Perhaps nobody will, but it's realistic to say Sony's got the best shot unless you know something I don't. PS2 did just as well at $300 as it did at any other price. It saw a bit of a boost at $200, but there are plenty of sales to be had at $300, or even $400 as 360 has shown. PS3's got Madden for Golden Week. That should be some indication of the current situation in Japan. Price isn't the main thing holding it back. Lack of games is. PS2 won't be the system of choice forever.



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What makes you think Madden is going to sell in Japan??? I've heard a lot of crazy things from Sony fanboys, but that's got to rank amongst the nuttiest.



Shane said:
The last two PlayStation versions sold 40+ million units in the US. With that in mind, even if both Wii and 360 manage to get to 10-15 million units, it's still far from an insurmountable lead. Not ideal for sure, but there isn't going to be a hole Sony can't climb out of any time soon.

The SNES sold 23 Million units in the United States and yet the 2 Million lead the Playstation buit on the N64 was insurmountable. One thing we have learned from several generations is that sales in one generation do not necessarily translate into sales in the following generation.

Shane said:
Sony will have more support in Japan than Nintendo. Count on it. Konami and Square both continue to lean largely in Sony's favor. Koei's two Wii projects combined have sold 15k units... they're only going to humor Nintendo for so long, userbase or not. Capcom seems to be falling into the spinoff/last gen port role that's becoming so common. Bandai seems to be the only major publisher with a shot at taking Nintendo seriously, but they're just as in bed with Sony as anyone else. Nintendo's internal offerings will be strong to quite strong, but that won't do anything for third party sales, which won't do anything for third party support.
Currently the Wii has sold 3 times as many systems as the PS3 and is outselling the PS3 at a rate of 6 to 1 on a weekly basis; high quality sequels to games that sold Millions of units in Japan have been reduced to under 100,000 units on the PS3. The question isn't whether developers will focus on the PS3, the question is whether they will support it at all if these sales continue.
Shane said:
Nintendo's best selling console, when they had a commanding monopoly, was 60 million units. They have yet to prove Wii is more than just a fad. If they can keep this system going for more than a couple years, maybe we can say otherwise, but as it stands now, there is no reason to believe Nintendo can or will even hit 60 million, let alone 100 million. Microsoft's struggling in Europe and especially Japan, where it won't gain much traction no matter what. Sony, meanwhile, continues to have the brand and the developer support necessary to move units. They just need the price and the games to achieve it. Will they hit 100 million? Perhaps not. Perhaps nobody will, but it's realistic to say Sony's got the best shot unless you know something I don't.
No home console in Nintendo's history has sold as many units as quickly as the Wii has, the only consoles that you can compare the sales of the Wii to are the Gameboy Advance and PS2 ... Suprisingly enough neither of those systems were fads

Shane said:
PS2 did just as well at $300 as it did at any other price. It saw a bit of a boost at $200, but there are plenty of sales to be had at $300, or even $400 as 360 has shown.
That is kind-of everyone's point ... There never was a magical "tomorow" that would bring sales to the PS2. The only times I have heard of anyone claiming that their console would sell better in the future was the Saturn, N64, Dreamcast, XBox and Gamecube.
Shane said:
PS3's got Madden for Golden Week. That should be some indication of the current situation in Japan. Price isn't the main thing holding it back. Lack of games is. PS2 won't be the system of choice forever.
If you haven't noticed, the PS2 isn't the system of choice in Japan. Japaneese sales are

Hardware:
Console Year Total
2,335,85716,389,115
1,235,5732,209,041
779,6535,394,494
404,271876,876
300,47621,787,512
90,781374,677
34,82516,678,823
6,1864,019,836
Total 5,187,622
That's right, the PS3 is more popular than the PS2 in Japan ...

 


tao said:

The PS3 is in the exact same situation as the PS2 and PSone were before.


Not true. 

PS2 didn't have any true competitors when it came out.  Dreamcast had already fizzled and Xbox and Gamecube wouldn't be out until a year later.  They also had an affordable price to compete with the competitors the next years.  Sony on the other hand has Microsoft who has already been out a year with multiple million selling games.  PS3 came out around the same time as Wii and is being outsold a little more than 2 to 1.  The conditions are not the same as before...



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I said Madden was going to sell? When? It'll be lucky to break the top 50.

PlayStation didn't win because it launched early or because it had a lead. It won because the only support Nintendo could get for its system was Midway and Acclaim. Sony has support from every major publisher, and there's been no indication that won't continue.

Developers already are supporting PS3. The performance of that support will determine future support, though continued failures on Wii will help as well. GBA and PS2 both had proven predecessors. Wii doesn't.

No system before ever launched at $600, nor did anything launch when its predecessor was still this strong.

I keep hearing mention of the blue ocean strategy. As if it's anything either revolutionary or worth discussing. Nintendo always targets new markets because half their previous market's outgrown them by the next generation.



"PS3's got Madden for Golden Week. That should be some indication of the current situation in Japan. " Well, if you don't think Madden is going to sell then what exactly does the above statement mean? That a game that doesn't sell has no impact on a console that isn't selling? That would be quite profound...