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padib said:
I would be interested to hear an evolutionist explanation for the need of or the evolutionary history of the hymen.

I don't wanna get into a discussion, but I really am interested to hear what the religious explanation is. I'm really asking this.



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NiKKoM said:
blkfish92 said:
Soo uhh how do you bring a guy's virginity back??

just lie...


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padib said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
padib said:
I would be interested to hear an evolutionist explanation for the need of or the evolutionary history of the hymen.

I don't wanna get into a discussion, but I really am interested to hear what the religious explanation is. I'm really asking this.

The religious explanation would be too hard to answer as there are so many religions in the world. If you ask how my religion explains it that's a different question.

If you ask how the Judeo-Christian book (bible) explains it, it's straight-forward really. God created man (/woman) in his image, with purpose and intentionality. Every design in the human body has a purpose. The hymen, as other organs, serves a specific purpose. If I were to extrapolate (outside the bible, using my intuition given the bible's text), and try to understand the mind of God, I would say that the hymen is there as a seal (imperfect may it be) of a woman's virginity. That's what its purpose would be. Why is it important to know that? It is testament of faithfulness, a huge component of the person of God as described in the bible.

On the evolutionary side of things, Design is considered, but only as a result of time and chance. They call it the blind watchmaker. A watch is produced, in all its design, though not by intent, but by chance. The only problem comes when Nature, as a creative force, creates evolution with intent. There's a double-teaching there. It's not only by chance, but also by directed change (by Nature as the agent, capital N, guided by the principal of survival). At that point, the question is begging to be asked: what is the intent of the hymen when it comes to survival of the fittest? None of us know the answers to these questions, but many guesses and speculations are suggested in school textbooks and taken for truth. I was curious about this one :)

The thing is many animals (mammals) have hymens too, so it can't be something that is specifically designed for humans. It's just that humans give the hymen an importance and animals don't. You won't see an elephant caring about purity.

As for evolution, I'll say what I think: it may simply be a method to protect the vagina until it's ready to serve its fuction. Having it may be better than not having it.

Also, evolution is a random process, so useless things may appear. Even if having a hymen were not to help much, it isn't really a handicap either. A female without a hymen is not less likely to survive. This can also be said of the appendix, it doesn't seem to have a clear purpose. Or the toes (or the toe nails). They are remnants of past evolution processes but they don't detract from your chances of survival, so they stayed.

I respect your beliefs, and I'm not trying to argue against the existance of God. But if you want to disprove something as well documented as evolution a few weak fact aren't enough, you need much stronger arguments. If you believe the theory is wrong it should be because of your own faith (which is perfectly fine).

I've gone extremely off-topic here, I apologise.



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Sigh, seeing these countries continue with their barbarism surprises me. As previous members said, the hymen can break naturally. I have nothing against religion but I also tend to get along with non religious or semi religious people such as myself. I am between Catholicism and Agnosticism. Had it not been for the scientists and whatnot, technological improvements would not have occured and our lifespans would have stayed relatively low. If anything, a society who is run with solely religion in mind may tend to stagnate in many areas. I am a firm believer that the various scripts may contain certain metaphors. I also believe that NOONE has the right to judge another based on their beliefs (as long as they don't bring harm to you). Last I checked in the new testament the "turn the other cheek" is preached, and in the Quo'ran Allah is known as the All Merciful (if that is what He is known as than it MUST be for a reason). It is up to whatever higher power may exist to pass judgement, not us humans because NONE of us is free of sin. On an ending note, society and governments have agreed that lying, stealing, killing, cheating are bad, and laws are in place to keep some order. However, in many of our countries we enjoy the freedom to think and live how we see fit, so anyone trying to impose their beliefs/religion on us has another thing coming.



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padib said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
padib said:
Troll_Whisperer said:
padib said:
I would be interested to hear an evolutionist explanation for the need of or the evolutionary history of the hymen.

I don't wanna get into a discussion, but I really am interested to hear what the religious explanation is. I'm really asking this.

bla bla bla

I respect your beliefs, and I'm not trying to argue against the existance of God. But it is extremely difficult to disprove something as well documented as evolution with real facts. If you believe the theory is wrong it should be because of your own faith (which is perfectly fine).

I've gone extremely off-topic here, I apologise.

No, it's great. I was honestly asking for an explanation, and it's a fair one.

As for what I believe in, I prefer not say, but I will say that if I were to decide not to believe in evolution, there is a lot of knowledge to back that position up. It would be a tough position to be in though, given its unpopularity. But I know we both understand that popularity doesn't make something true.

But great point about the animals (mammals) having a hymen, I really had no idea.

That's alright



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padib said:
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padib said:

No, it's great. I was honestly asking for an explanation, and it's a fair one.

As for what I believe in, I prefer not say, but I will say that if I were to decide not to believe in evolution, there is a lot of knowledge to back that position up. It would be a tough position to be in though, given its unpopularity. But I know we both understand that popularity doesn't make something true.

But great point about the animals (mammals) having a hymen, I really had no idea.

That's alright

What do you mean? Why did I offend?

You didn't offend. You said I had a great point, so I took it as a compliment and I said it's alright, as in no worries.



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Sounds like a lot of canadian women want their men to think they are still virgins. liars!




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Allfreedom99 said:
Sounds like a lot of canadian women want their men to think they are still virgins. liars!

Sounds like someone didn't read the article.



Xen said:
Allfreedom99 said:
Sounds like a lot of canadian women want their men to think they are still virgins. liars!

Sounds like someone didn't read the article.

agreed. Read part 1 and skimmed the rest. Didnt realize the muslim women were the predominant orders for them. Killing for not being a virgin IMO is extreme.