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Mr Khan said:
small44 said:
I don't think 3DS have a good amount of console game:metal gear,dead or alive,reident evil and PSvita has also . 3DS has no new IP.

I'm not sure what your first statement is trying to say, given that 3DS has all of those games. No new IPs is a legitimate complaint

Nintendo fanboy complaint about uncharted,wipeout because it's PS3 franchise but don't complaint about spin off or port in 3DS.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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lurkerwithnosoul said:
Vita will be an awesome platform for imports, but i can't really see it competing with 3DS once the big games hit the system. Games like Mario and Pokémon will push the sales further than they are.

And don't forget that Mario and Pokémon are long time sellers (just look at how well they sell). They can sell even without price-cuts. Along with them, Nintendo has a plethora of other franchises that can sell well above 3 mil.

Besides U2 and even with that one, Vita will have to find its own system seller. That alone will give it a hard time finding a way to compete with the 3DS. But there's also the consumers who will not find it as attractive as a smartphone.

game cube has failed even with mario,and many people buy a console not just for 1 game



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Mr Khan said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Conservative does not have to mean non-aggressive, just that they're selling consoles the same way they've always sold consoles, which, i noted, is not a bad strategy, there's just nothing particularly new at play here

Nintendo's failures are unique because they are always self-imposed. Make GameCube games, get GameCube sales. Make NES/DS/Wii games, get NES/DS/Wii sales. I'm not of the extreme opinion of some hereabouts that these expanded market games are the only games Nintendo should make, and that there is a value in trying to reach the core gamer, but ultimately if Nintendo wants to win, they alone have the tools to do it, and these core gamer strategies should be supplementary to their primary efforts (which is why i'm more optimistic about Wii U than the Malstromites, as it shows an expanded market mindset just as much as it does a core one, and is not letting their desire to cater to the industry undermine it too much)

Which is not to discount Sony's efforts either. Even if Nintendo's head had been in the game for the GameCube generation, they still would have lost to the PS2 because it was perfectly positioned to own the market, but in Vita's case we've seen the limitations of the PSP strategy, and Nintendo knows what they must do to surpass the bar that Sony has set for themselves

you can't be aggressive with your hw, sw and pricing and be 'conservative'. that just makes no sense.

so far sony have done better than ninty in all areas.

hw: much better value for the price, very aggressive pricing here

region lock vs non region lock

better AR

NEW gameplay mechanics something the ds thrived on. something the psp lacked.

not sure what you mean by we are seeing the limitations of the psp strategy with vita, would love to hear you expand on that. Sony have done much much better than the psp. Very dev friendly, easy connectivity between home console, much better online, new gameplay possibilities not available elsewhere, much better use of game format, lots of NEW IP's, almost no ports (can think of sf vs tekken, not much else), dual analogs which will help a lot in FPS?tps (something that crippled the psp games in those genre), complimenting and combining with other mobile platforms through PS Suit etc.

I think many of you are downplaying what sony have done here and trying to cover up how bad ninty has done with but wait the giant is sleeping I promise scenario. admit it, ninty messed up. sony have done well so far. I fully expect the 3ds to outsell the psv but if you or ninty think it's gonna be the same as last gen you are in for a rude awakening. it's not the same strategy as the psp, it's very different and so far it has been down right perfect!

time will tell in which way sony will manage to ef up, but so far they have outperformed ninty in every way. it really is simple as that. and don't discount sony, though I don't think they won't win and all, they have not shown all their cards yet. Coming year or two will be very interesting in the handheld market

Conservative can have many different meanings. In this case Sony's playing by the book that they wrote, and aggressive pricing is merely part of that book (remember that the PS3 was "aggressively priced" in that they weren't charging you the $800 it cost to make one right out of the gate)

Most of the points you mentioned are either negated by the 3DS or irrelevant to making a top-selling handheld. Sony has shown some innovative uses for the multitouch technology (that demo of Mod Nation Racers was rather impressive), and they could pursue better ends with games like that, Little Big Planet, and Little Deviants. Most of the gameplay elements Vita can produce can also be produced on 3DS, sans the multi-touch, and what you end up with again is something that's better than the 3DS on paper, but that's more or less what the PSP had going for it too. Games that can more closely emulate the console experience, objectively better online, but did any of these features make a difference in the past? Sony could very well have a lead on something if they broaden their thinking on utilizing the device's multitouch capabilities, but otherwise they're going to be in the PSP pipeline

And the whole sleeping giant thing isn't quite the proper analogy. Nintendo has gotten distracted by the lure of GameCube-type game development, something that their developers love a lot but consumers not so much, and it's more a matter of if they get back to basics again, things will change for the better, but them snapping out of their distraction could take some time. Last time they wandered down that path it took them about 12 years to get off it...


what you described isn't being conservative..it's about doing things right. very very different meanings which I think you have tangled up there.

multi touch and dual analog and better AR and better online gaming...3ds can't replicate that. and don't tell me about pen and one 'nub'..it won't be the same.

it's not just on paper, hw wise PSV is much more advanced and larger in functionality than the 3ds, that's just reality.

and again it's not the psp ds situation. psp>ds in power and with one nub...one nub was incomplete idea one which ninty should have realized but didn't sadly. power didn't matter overall compared to touch screen and the gameplay possibilities it brought with it on the ds. not the same case this time around, this time psv has the more options not the 3ds. very different.

and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ninty can't make a comeback..they def will imho..but it's not psp ds all over again...at least there is no reason to assume so at this point



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M.U.G.E.N said:
Buzzi said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Buzzi said:
N64 and GC did not have 2D Marios and real Pokemon RPG. These are the reasons why 3DS will sell 10m just in Japan.

On other note, Sony has not traditionally gone for tremendous powerful hardware. They did it half the time.

I agree about this not already won battle, but 3DS has right now 200 games releasing between now and next year, it can't do that bad, and also Nintendo is able to cut the price even to 150$ according to reports, while obviously Sony can't. It's all about balance for Nintendo, while Sony is already playing all its cards (all Vita still needs is a system seller, like MH).


lolwut?

ok let me put it this way to you

it's not about 'balance' or any of that crap for ninty...they handled the 3ds launch HORRIBLY!

and add thigns like bad battery life, region lock, friend code (seriously, it's 2011 already for crying out loud) and non stop stream of ports...not sure why you would use the term 'balance' here but but looks like piss poor stuff from ninty on hw and sw front so far.

it's NOT about playing all your cards, it's about playing your card rights, neither you or me know what sony has in store additionally, but so far they have done so so much better than ninty in the handling of their new handheld. Solid HW, GREAT value for the price unlike the overpriced 3ds hw, good variety of games with LOTS of new IP's even before GC and TGS!

and I honestly don't care about this 3ds vs psv stuff sales wise...cuz as a consumer that is just an online hobby and won't affect me otherwise. I seriously doubt psv will outsell 3ds LT either. But heck give Sony cred where cred is due and call out ninty when they mess up. So far Sony have given everything fans wanted and asked for. So no it's not about balance, it's not about playing 'all; you cards (really? I mean really? time machine you have, i need it) it's about playing your cards right :) simple as that


What you call "right cards" I call them "all cards", simple as that. What more could do Sony now? They've just done everything they could, delivering a great machine even for the mass market. BUT this means, right now, all they need is a good support to suceed: if it doesn't come, Sony won't suceed.

What you call "bad launch" I call it "lack of balance": as you say 3DS is not perfect, actually I would like to know why you are attacking the FC system which has greatly improven (one code, imput one time, simple as that, and liked to out Club Nintendo account in case of broken console) or the battery, since it's something PSV won't shine either, and it deserved to start slowly. But all these problems can be solved and what Nintendo needs is exactly balance: in their line up, about the price (not depending on demand as of now) and in their multiple offerings (eshop, or online system).

As many said, now it's not Sony's turn to make right choices, but Nintendo's one to correct their bad choices.

I don't have a time machine, I would like one to skip my exams...but I know all you people acting like Vita is going to dominate don't understand how the market goes: who would have tought about 3DS failure at launch, after preordering records? Who would have tought about Nintendo's come back after GC era, with an overpriced console and doomed by the godly Sony? We can't predict the future either way, but, as I said, Nintendo has all the ability to come back when they want...while PSV has some big sellers but not a system seller as big as Mario Kart is. Story will tell who'll be the winner, right now I'm sure that Nintendo is lacking a balance for their console, and over 200 games are a good answer to start solving the problems.


u mad bro? lol

first off "What you call "right cards" I call them "all cards""...lolwut? I mean really? that's the BEST you can come up with? if you think this all the 'cards' that will be played in a gen you are being naive. it takes way more than this to do well in a console generation, I would've expected you to know that, too bad really.

again with this 'balance' >_> this is getting embrassing...what is this balance nonsense really? they need to balance they shortcomings with positives or something? it has nothing to do with the term balance...its just shortcomings. it won't 'balance' things out. really, I wonder how you guys even come up with these terms :S balance...

and hold your senstive horse there buddy..attacking? :P internet is not that serious ya know. actually it can be but FC? LOLNO! not a topic I will bother attacking. and if you fail to see how FC in this day and age is trailing behind ps/xbl...i have nothing more to say to you. as long as you're happy I guess.

battery? psv will be around the same as psp. not a downgrade compared to last gen and considering the monster is packing what it does, that's outright awesome. and it will get better too..cuz you see sony can improve on these things to just like ninty can 0_0 OMG! what an idea right?

acting liek vita dominate? >_> do you actually read what I type or just see somethign negative about ninty and go bonkers? you do realize I have literally mention that I don't think psv will outsell 3ds around 4-5 times in this thread alone already? and you go on a rant about how things change etc etc but you do realize this applies to 'everyone'...and this is something I have been saying for a looooooooooooong time here in the forums. things change, I doubt sony will surpass ninty in the handheld arena this gen but boy are they trying or what. Give cred where cred is due...and don't worry knowing sony they will manage to ef something up sooner or later lol :P


Ok, think what you think. I'm speaking of sales in the only sales site I know, you're speaking of games like in every other existing forum, maybe I should just say I like 3DS over Vita, maybe you would accept that over my trying to express my opinion about why IMHO Nintendo can overcome this situation. Mybe is all a misunderstanding, I'm using the words I know to speak, I'm not english native and for me balance is the right choice for what I think...if you don't accept my opinion it's fine, but to me it seems like you just want me and everyone to accept Vita is superior and 3DS is shitty, which is something subjective as long as on a console we play games. You don't think Nintendo can correct their mistakes? Or that Sony could not make some? I will repeat myself: I'm not trying to give credit to either of the two, I'm trying to be objective about the future. I actually would give more credit to Sony for their PSP than for Vita, they expanded the market and create some competition. No, I'm not mad, I'm just trying to explain something to you and you continue making a joke out of me XD



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9087 said:
People will say "but 3DS has Mario and Pokemon"...... well so did N64 and GameCube.

If Sony starts firing on all cylinders they will be a HUGE threat.

CoD with cross-play muiltiplayer with PS3. That alone would be a Megaton that is very, very possible and could happen as soon as LAUNCH for PS Vita.

Uncharted Golden Abyss is a killer app. Little Big Planet Vita will be there at launch.

Kojima has already confirmed future "transfarring" between Vita and PS3 for all his future games.

Pokémon on consoles are different than those on handhelds. Its not about the name of the game it is how you play the game that matters here. Neither of the mentioned consoles had a 2d style Mario game or a true handheld experience Pokémon game and both of these games sell significantly more than a 3d Mario or a Pokémon stadium game.

So yeah Nintendo has Mario and Pokémon. But who knows what will happen now. It is all about the games in the end no matter how powerful a console is. I mean what is the point of having either PSV or a 3DS if the games you want are on the other console in the end :P     



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Buzzi said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Buzzi said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
Buzzi said:
N64 and GC did not have 2D Marios and real Pokemon RPG. These are the reasons why 3DS will sell 10m just in Japan.

On other note, Sony has not traditionally gone for tremendous powerful hardware. They did it half the time.

I agree about this not already won battle, but 3DS has right now 200 games releasing between now and next year, it can't do that bad, and also Nintendo is able to cut the price even to 150$ according to reports, while obviously Sony can't. It's all about balance for Nintendo, while Sony is already playing all its cards (all Vita still needs is a system seller, like MH).


lolwut?

ok let me put it this way to you

it's not about 'balance' or any of that crap for ninty...they handled the 3ds launch HORRIBLY!

and add thigns like bad battery life, region lock, friend code (seriously, it's 2011 already for crying out loud) and non stop stream of ports...not sure why you would use the term 'balance' here but but looks like piss poor stuff from ninty on hw and sw front so far.

it's NOT about playing all your cards, it's about playing your card rights, neither you or me know what sony has in store additionally, but so far they have done so so much better than ninty in the handling of their new handheld. Solid HW, GREAT value for the price unlike the overpriced 3ds hw, good variety of games with LOTS of new IP's even before GC and TGS!

and I honestly don't care about this 3ds vs psv stuff sales wise...cuz as a consumer that is just an online hobby and won't affect me otherwise. I seriously doubt psv will outsell 3ds LT either. But heck give Sony cred where cred is due and call out ninty when they mess up. So far Sony have given everything fans wanted and asked for. So no it's not about balance, it's not about playing 'all; you cards (really? I mean really? time machine you have, i need it) it's about playing your cards right :) simple as that


What you call "right cards" I call them "all cards", simple as that. What more could do Sony now? They've just done everything they could, delivering a great machine even for the mass market. BUT this means, right now, all they need is a good support to suceed: if it doesn't come, Sony won't suceed.

What you call "bad launch" I call it "lack of balance": as you say 3DS is not perfect, actually I would like to know why you are attacking the FC system which has greatly improven (one code, imput one time, simple as that, and liked to out Club Nintendo account in case of broken console) or the battery, since it's something PSV won't shine either, and it deserved to start slowly. But all these problems can be solved and what Nintendo needs is exactly balance: in their line up, about the price (not depending on demand as of now) and in their multiple offerings (eshop, or online system).

As many said, now it's not Sony's turn to make right choices, but Nintendo's one to correct their bad choices.

I don't have a time machine, I would like one to skip my exams...but I know all you people acting like Vita is going to dominate don't understand how the market goes: who would have tought about 3DS failure at launch, after preordering records? Who would have tought about Nintendo's come back after GC era, with an overpriced console and doomed by the godly Sony? We can't predict the future either way, but, as I said, Nintendo has all the ability to come back when they want...while PSV has some big sellers but not a system seller as big as Mario Kart is. Story will tell who'll be the winner, right now I'm sure that Nintendo is lacking a balance for their console, and over 200 games are a good answer to start solving the problems.


u mad bro? lol

first off "What you call "right cards" I call them "all cards""...lolwut? I mean really? that's the BEST you can come up with? if you think this all the 'cards' that will be played in a gen you are being naive. it takes way more than this to do well in a console generation, I would've expected you to know that, too bad really.

again with this 'balance' >_> this is getting embrassing...what is this balance nonsense really? they need to balance they shortcomings with positives or something? it has nothing to do with the term balance...its just shortcomings. it won't 'balance' things out. really, I wonder how you guys even come up with these terms :S balance...

and hold your senstive horse there buddy..attacking? :P internet is not that serious ya know. actually it can be but FC? LOLNO! not a topic I will bother attacking. and if you fail to see how FC in this day and age is trailing behind ps/xbl...i have nothing more to say to you. as long as you're happy I guess.

battery? psv will be around the same as psp. not a downgrade compared to last gen and considering the monster is packing what it does, that's outright awesome. and it will get better too..cuz you see sony can improve on these things to just like ninty can 0_0 OMG! what an idea right?

acting liek vita dominate? >_> do you actually read what I type or just see somethign negative about ninty and go bonkers? you do realize I have literally mention that I don't think psv will outsell 3ds around 4-5 times in this thread alone already? and you go on a rant about how things change etc etc but you do realize this applies to 'everyone'...and this is something I have been saying for a looooooooooooong time here in the forums. things change, I doubt sony will surpass ninty in the handheld arena this gen but boy are they trying or what. Give cred where cred is due...and don't worry knowing sony they will manage to ef something up sooner or later lol :P


Ok, think what you think. I'm speaking of sales in the only sales site I know, you're speaking of games like in every other existing forum, maybe I should just say I like 3DS over Vita, maybe you would accept that over my trying to express my opinion about why IMHO Nintendo can overcome this situation. Mybe is all a misunderstanding, I'm using the words I know to speak, I'm not english native and for me balance is the right choice for what I think...if you don't accept my opinion it's fine, but to me it seems like you just want me and everyone to accept Vita is superior and 3DS is shitty, which is something subjective as long as on a console we play games. You don't think Nintendo can correct their mistakes? Or that Sony could not make some? I will repeat myself: I'm not trying to give credit to either of the two, I'm trying to be objective about the future. I actually would give more credit to Sony for their PSP than for Vita, they expanded the market and create some competition. No, I'm not mad, I'm just trying to explain something to you and you continue make a joke out of me XD


yes yes that answer did show you are not mad all right >_>

few things here

I'm not a native english speaker either! :P

I'm not saying 3ds is shitty, stop being paranoid geez

the fact you are not giving cred due is one of the problems here, sony deserves it this time around

i have already said imho sales wise LT 3ds >PSV... don't think we are disagreeing on that point.

this IS a gaming forum which also deals with sales, not one or the other

i already told Khan, I think ninty will improve too, hw revisions, some original games etc will come and will help 3ds, not disagreeing with you there either

things change and I already told you sony WILL eff up somehow at least on something in the future :P do you honestly not read what I type?



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IGN and many people alike seem to forget that the handheld market differs from that of consoles. No matter how you put it Nintendo will have the upper hand in having system sellers. The market is not interested in Uncharted (even compare that to its sales on PS3-it's not much) and why play Call of Duty on a handheld when you can just do it on your console?



 

        

gustave154 said:
why is the 3DS fighting against PS Vita? they should team up to fight the REAL enemy, Apple and their 99 cent games!


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dany612 said:
IGN and many people alike seem to forget that the handheld market differs from that of consoles. No matter how you put it Nintendo will have the upper hand in having system sellers. The market is not interested in Uncharted (even compare that to its sales on PS3-it's not much) and why play Call of Duty on a handheld when you can just do it on your console?


It's seem  you don't know the psvita line up.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m