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CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:

Too many people lives are destroyed by it why legalize it?

There are statistics that prove you wrong yet none to support you. Isn't it time for Captain Obvious to accept the truth?

Well i know California would be the first State to legalize drugs i want to see if it works in the States before jumping in the bandwagon.

Good luck with that. Big Pharmas bought out your politicians.

California has a pretty big legalizing movement going on i see them legalizing pot in 5 years.

Like I said, good luck with that. Once the movement become successful, it will cascade. I am pretty sure big pharmas along with prison lobby will work very hard to preven that from ever starting.



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sethnintendo said:
CaptainObvious said:
Legalizing it won't solve the problem it will just make it worse. Who can use it and who can't? How much will you charge for it(maybe cheaper buying it on the streets)? If a drug dealer gets arrested will he/she be charged with selling drugs or tax evasion? Drugs are a different monster then alcohol most aren't addicted to alcohol but with drugs your hooked till you die or get help for it.

Only thing i can compare drugs to is gambling cause legalizing it will only increase the crime rate. It's sad how it is but it is one of man's hardest crime to fight.


I am sorry but I can't let you prop up alcohol while dissing other drugs.  Alcohol is a drug.  There are plenty of alcoholics in the USA.  There are about 75,000 deaths per year in USA due to drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, etc....  "Excessive alcohol consumption is the third leading cause of preventable death in the United States after tobacco use and poor eating and exercise habits."  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/

So tobacco and alcohol are in the top 3 of leading cause of preventable death.  Amazing that these are legal but if they were made illegal all hell would break out again just like it did during alcohol prohibition.  Find me the death rates of marijuana.  Pretty hard to find because you can't overdose on it.  Did it lead to car crashes?  I am sure but it hard to pinpoint since THC can stay in your system for a few weeks sometimes.  They can see you had THC in your system but they don't know if you were actually high.   Here is a Speedvision study (just 1 person) that actually drove better stoned than sober.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5jkYvKscw

 

Anyways, stop acting like alcohol and tobacco aren't drugs.  They are drugs.  Least weed is grown naturally and is one of the safest drugs on this planet.  Captain Obvious you sound like you need hit on your head to return to your obvious state.

Acually was talking about herion, cocaine and meth and agree with you alcohol is a drug maybe tougher drunk driving laws would stop all these drunk driving death. Tobacco usage been dropping in the USA thou which is good.



Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:

Too many people lives are destroyed by it why legalize it?

There are statistics that prove you wrong yet none to support you. Isn't it time for Captain Obvious to accept the truth?

Well i know California would be the first State to legalize drugs i want to see if it works in the States before jumping in the bandwagon.

Good luck with that. Big Pharmas bought out your politicians.

California has a pretty big legalizing movement going on i see them legalizing pot in 5 years.

Like I said, good luck with that. Once the movement become successful, it will cascade. I am pretty sure big pharmas along with prison lobby will work very hard to preven that from ever starting.





Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

CaptainObvious said:

Highest death by drugs in Portugal was 368 not 600 to 700. Domino effect is this people who are addicted to drugs can't keep their jobs so how will they live? On welfare? I think robbery will go up, prositution will go up, and murder rate will go up. But then again my opinion i  got NO FACTUAL DATA on it but just don't see any positive to legalizing it. Too many people lives are destroyed by it why legalize it?


The logic of you domino effect is allright, but your premise is that  addiction will worsen. Now, if it goes the other way, like the data and history say it should, then the same logic gives the opposite conclusion.

Too many lives are destroyed, true, but this war actually helps destroying lives. It ends up sucking in much more people, people who don't even use drugs, and their money. The war just escalates the problem. Instead of having an addict, now you also have unparalelled power on the hands of the most inescrupulous of people. Instead of a guy losing his job, now you have this same guy going to jail at your expense. Instead of getting money, now you're spending billions on actions that have been proven totally ineffective for ages. And so on.

Supporting this war can only make sense if you believe any alternative would result in rampant addiction. You may well believe that, but you're yet to give any good reasons and evidence for doing so.



CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:

Too many people lives are destroyed by it why legalize it?

There are statistics that prove you wrong yet none to support you. Isn't it time for Captain Obvious to accept the truth?

Well i know California would be the first State to legalize drugs i want to see if it works in the States before jumping in the bandwagon.

Good luck with that. Big Pharmas bought out your politicians.

California has a pretty big legalizing movement going on i see them legalizing pot in 5 years.

Like I said, good luck with that. Once the movement become successful, it will cascade. I am pretty sure big pharmas along with prison lobby will work very hard to preven that from ever starting.



 

Some big pharmas are the one trying to legalize it.



Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

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Farmageddon said:
CaptainObvious said:

Highest death by drugs in Portugal was 368 not 600 to 700. Domino effect is this people who are addicted to drugs can't keep their jobs so how will they live? On welfare? I think robbery will go up, prositution will go up, and murder rate will go up. But then again my opinion i  got NO FACTUAL DATA on it but just don't see any positive to legalizing it. Too many people lives are destroyed by it why legalize it?


The logic of you domino effect is allright, but your premise is that  addiction will worsen. Now, if it goes the other way, like the data and history say it should, then the same logic gives the opposite conclusion.

Too many lives are destroyed, true, but this war actually helps destroying lives. It ends up sucking in much more people, people who don't even use drugs, and their money. The war just escalates the problem. Instead of having an addict, now you also have unparalelled power on the hands of the most inescrupulous of people. Instead of a guy losing his job, now you have this same guy going to jail at your expense. Instead of getting money, now you're spending billions on actions that have been proven totally ineffective for ages. And so on.

Supporting this war can only make sense if you believe any alternative would result in rampant addiction. You may well believe that, but you're yet to give any good reasons and evidence for doing so.

I just wish there was a better way that's all. I live in a drug dominate area sometimes want to go Mike Haggar and start punching out people but not even close as bad as Mexico so i can't imagine living there so i'm lucky in that way. Just wish for a better out come in this debate even if i was wrong.



Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

CaptainObvious said:

Some big pharmas are the one trying to legalize it.

The tobacco industry printed horrible pics of cancer and the full box of warnings. Do you think they are trying to stop people from smoking? :)

People who are going to do it will continue to do it, regardless of your "effort" trying to stop them.



@CaptainObvious, I have done cocaine and meth in the past. I am not proud of it but at least I never got addicted. The reason why people get addicted to those drugs is because they do them more than once every few months. I am sure one can do heroin once and not be addicted. What leads to addiction would be the access to it, friends doing it all the time, and weak minded people. It is hard to advocate legalization of hard drugs but with proper education I am sure drug rates won't rise even if legalized (probably drop). Not too many people say I want to be a crackhead, heroin addict, meth-head, etc.. when I grow up. I am more concerned about the prescription drug abuse for USA teens than heroin, meth, crack, and cocaine combined. Prescription drug abuse should concern parents more than anything. Teenagers have easier access to prescription drugs than harder drugs. They can steal them from their parents, grandparents, etc... Prescription drugs can be just as bad or worse when abused than the illegal hard drugs. They can mess up your liver, you can overdose, etc.. Adderall = prescription meth , methadone almost like heroin, etc.. The nation is making the kids addicts before they even get to middle school by popping them full of Adderall.  Least if you made hard drug legal then you could attach an age limit to it (18 or 21).  I suppose 21 would be the most suitable age.  Prescription drug companies don't even have to worry about age limits.  They can give your teenager anti depressant medicine that probably increase their chances of suicide.  They can give you kid prescription speed at the age of 10.



Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:

Some big pharmas are the one trying to legalize it.

The tobacco industry printed horrible pics of cancer and the full box of warnings. Do you think they are trying to stop people from smoking? :)

People who are going to do it will continue to do it, regardless of your "effort" trying to stop them.

Addiction, some i know try to quit smoking but always come back to smoking hard to fight urge of tobacco. And some don't really care about it.



Anyone who's breaking the law is obvious a criminal.

CaptainObvious said:
Galaki said:
CaptainObvious said:

Some big pharmas are the one trying to legalize it.

The tobacco industry printed horrible pics of cancer and the full box of warnings. Do you think they are trying to stop people from smoking? :)

People who are going to do it will continue to do it, regardless of your "effort" trying to stop them.

Addiction, some i know try to quit smoking but always come back to smoking hard to fight urge of tobacco. And some don't really care about it.

I always viewed tobacco as an inferior drug considering I've smoked weed since about 1999.  I became addicted to cigarettes in the past (twice)  but I was able to quit.  To me I'd rather smoke a bowl of weed any day over a shitty cigarette.  Tobacco is brown, smells like shit, and taste like shit usually.  Marijuana is green, smells good, and taste good.  The easy way to quit cigs is just to smoke weed every time you think about a cig.  Also, stay away from friends that smoke cigs.  After about a week the nicotine that is controlling your cravings will be pretty much out of your system.  Nicotine is pretty damn addicting drug though and too many people fall prey to it.  1 drop of pure nicotine can kill 3 grown men.