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People are being raped around the world whether they are fully clothed or not. I could probably understand that a girl was asking for it when she gets herself intoxicated, but dressing like a slut/sexily, I don't think so. Some people in here acts like we're still living in 1950's. Revealing your skin is like pumping up muscles to show off nowadays to attract somebody you like, but we don't hear many girls raping a guy, don't we? I'm pretty sure it will all go consensual. If we live in anarchic society, I could understand all of this, but we're not. Rape can never be justified by whatever means. I'm pretty sure we're rational enough not to jump on a woman who is wearing a two piece on a beach.



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sapphi_snake said:
Dr.Grass said:


I find the whole 'slutwalk march' ridiculous. There are 11 and 12 year old girls walking there and for what? 

The police officer could've perhaps used different words, but what he said is in essence correct.

Dunno what this has to do with this forum and internet.

Caption:Organisers of the worldwide events are trying to reclaim the word 'slut'

^I mean come on. These 1st world protestors could be doing something actually worthwhile. 

So women are to blame because they get raped? What's next? Blaming people who get robbed because they have things of value in their house?


I don't think anyone has come even close to suggesting that. 



sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.


why dont you go and ask them how many feel they were thinking rationally at the time of the rape.  i guarantee you not many, if any, will tell you they were.

as one would take care venturing into bear territory, so too should they take such care when going out.



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mantlepiecek said:

He said don't dress like sluts to avoid being victimized. I don't see the big deal.

The only way this would be a big deal is if people wanted to dress like sluts.

"Don't wanna get raped? Don't dress like a slut!" is hardly what he said. He didn't say that sluts are the only people that get raped. Your assumption implies that.

He did not say that sluts are the ONLY people to get raped, but he did suggest that a slut is "asking for it", as in she's already said "yes" even before you ask her.

And what makes you think that women don't wanna dress like sluts? These women who are protesting are actually taking offence to the fact that they're being demeaned by society (mostly men) for dressing a certain way. I bet the first thing that police officer did when he got home was to go on a porno site, and watch a porn film starring a "slut". It's actually quite funny: traditional patriarchal society sure loves hailing frigid women, but it's still the "sluts" that men end up turning to.



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mantlepiecek said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.

If rapists had rational thought they wouldn't be rapists.

If they have no rational thought, then their place isn't in society.



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MrBubbles said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.


why dont you go and ask them how many feel they were thinking rationally at the time of the rape.  i guarantee you not many, if any, will tell you they were.

as one would take care venturing into bear territory, so too should they take such care when going out.

There's no excuse for a human being to not think rationally. If they weren't thinking rationally, it's because they didn't want to (unless you're suggesting that they became controlled by some unknown force triggered by the revealing clothing, case in which you're releasing them of blame and putting it all on the victim - welcome to before the 20th century!!!).



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sapphi_snake said:
mantlepiecek said:

He said don't dress like sluts to avoid being victimized. I don't see the big deal.

The only way this would be a big deal is if people wanted to dress like sluts.

"Don't wanna get raped? Don't dress like a slut!" is hardly what he said. He didn't say that sluts are the only people that get raped. Your assumption implies that.

He did not say that sluts are the ONLY people to get raped, but he did suggest that a slut is "asking for it", as in she's already said "yes" even before you ask her.

And what makes you think that women don't wanna dress like sluts? These women who are protesting are actually taking offence to the fact that they're being demeaned by society (mostly men) for dressing a certain way. I bet the first thing that police officer did when he got home was to go on a porno site, and watch a porn film starring a "slut". It's actually quite funny: traditional patriarchal society sure loves hailing frigid women, but it's still the "sluts" that men end up turning to.

So wait women want to dress like sluts but they should not be called sluts? Again, "avoid being victimized" doesn't in anyway mean "they have already said yes" you are assuming this.

I am not sure why you are assuming this way though.

The way I see it the policeman is saying that if women dress like sluts, then the rapists would think she has already said yes. He is not a rapist so I really don't understand the backlash at him?

And these slut women that are being demeaned by the society....what makes you think its mostly men? That's just ridiculous. If anything I would say men are the most kind towards them. You have obviously not seen some of the women criticize the way women flaunt their body as a sign of a bad influence/etc etc.



sapphi_snake said:
mantlepiecek said:
sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.

If rapists had rational thought they wouldn't be rapists.

If they have no rational thought, then their place isn't in society.

Hardly negates the point Mr. Bubbles was making.



sapphi_snake said:
Porcupine_I said:

i completely agree! it can never be the rape victims responsibility to have been raped. no matter how she was dressed or where she went. it's absolutely the culprits responsibility and they are the only ones at fault for the crime.

however you raise a few interesting subjects.

 Obviously no one's telling them to walk on the streets alone at night.

and why is that?  because it is common sense? because they should be knowing that anyway? because it is dangerous for anyone?

It's not as if she's stepping on hot coal and getting her legs burnt. 

same! common knowledge! do not step on hot coal, or if you have to go in the hot coal area wear the right shoes! is that what you are saying? i don't think anyone would disagree with that.

anyway, my point is it can never be theit fault if they are victims of a rape. but will that knowledge help them if they do get raped? i don't think so.

 

 

Getting burned if touching hot coal is a natural consequence of said act. Rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.

i am sure rape victims will find that interesting to know.



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mantlepiecek said:

So wait women want to dress like sluts but they should not be called sluts? Again, "avoid being victimized" doesn't in anyway mean "they have already said yes" you are assuming this.

I am not sure why you are assuming this way though.

The way I see it the policeman is saying that if women dress like sluts, then the rapists would think she has already said yes. He is not a rapist so I really don't understand the backlash at him?

And these slut women that are being demeaned by the society....what makes you think its mostly men? That's just ridiculous. If anything I would say men are the most kind towards them. You have obviously not seen some of the women criticize the way women flaunt their body as a sign of a bad influence/etc etc.

No, he is saying that "sluts" are generally considered to automatically say "yes".

 

And why should women be demeaned by society for wearing a certain type of clothing? What is a "slut"? Why is being a slut bad? Traditional society tries to repress women's sexuality, stigmatising women for having sexual desires. In the traditional view women should not enjoy, or even be interested in sex. Sex is something that they should use to make men happy, in other words sex should be used as a tool (to satisfy the husband, to concieve a child). A woman that is usually described as a "slut" is really no  different regarding sex than a regular man, however traditional patriarchal society is afraid of allowing women to have sexual desires similar to men. Sex is about power, and it's something men should enjoy, while women should limit themselves to being mere objects for men's enjoyment. They musn't enjoy sex in the traditional view. Quite the contrary, the more frigid, the more respected.

 

Prettyy much all societies have been controlled by men, and men are the ones who created these social rules., mainly because they were afraid of women demanding equality with them. The reason why many women end up respecting these rules is simply because women are conditioned by society to think that way. Not all women are feminists. And men don't really care for slots generally, other than using them as sexual objects. When it comes to marriage (especially in more traditional cultures) they typically still go for the frigid women (despite this being very counter/productive, as they'll end up cheating).



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