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DKHustlin said:
Porcupine_I said:

i completely agree! it can never be the rape victims responsibility to have been raped. no matter how she was dressed or where she went. it's absolutely the culprits responsibility and they are the only ones at fault for the crime.

however you raise a few interesting subjects.

 Obviously no one's telling them to walk on the streets alone at night.

and why is that?  because it is common sense? because they should be knowing that anyway? because it is dangerous for anyone?

It's not as if she's stepping on hot coal and getting her legs burnt. 

same! common knowledge! do not step on hot coal, or if you have to go in the hot coal area wear the right shoes! is that what you are saying? i don't think anyone would disagree with that.

anyway, my point is it can never be theit fault if they are victims of a rape. but will that knowledge help them if they do get raped? i don't think so.

as far as the stepping on coals analogy goes, the difference is someone else is committing the crime. if a woman is not wearing coal protective clothing, the coal isnt going to know that and attack her. if a woman is wearing slutty clothes, some people say she was asking for it if a man jumps up and assaults her. thats why there is a huge fuss, people think its ok to commit crimes if people are "asking for it."

going to the getting mugged analogy, just because you have money and are flashing it around does not mean you are asking to be robbed. i think its insane that people could even believe that people are asking for harm to be done to them by the way they act. it is never the victims fault.


I don't think anyone here is seriously saying a woman is "asking for it" or that rape is any less of a crime because a woman was dressing "slutty" ...

What people are suggesting is that, while it may have been phrased in an insensitive manner, there is some truth to the suggestion that some woman would be safer if they dressed in a more modest fashion; and took their own personal safety more seriously.



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DKHustlin said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

humans are more intelligent than bears


yes.  they are much more capable of stalking and ambushing their prey.  you may not even see the rapist in the shadow of an alley or under a large tree.



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MrBubbles said:
DKHustlin said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

humans are more intelligent than bears


yes.  they are much more capable of stalking and ambushing their prey.  you may not even see the rapist in the shadow of an alley or under a large tree.


From my understanding, those only represent a very small percentage of the rape cases in the western world ...



HappySqurriel said:
MrBubbles said:
DKHustlin said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

humans are more intelligent than bears


yes.  they are much more capable of stalking and ambushing their prey.  you may not even see the rapist in the shadow of an alley or under a large tree.


From my understanding, those only represent a very small percentage of the rape cases in the western world ...

those are the types that likely would choose the most opportune and not care what they are wearing(as they are already out for the purpose of rape) but it goes well with the bear example describing an animal like predator



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Porcupine_I said:

i completely agree! it can never be the rape victims responsibility to have been raped. no matter how she was dressed or where she went. it's absolutely the culprits responsibility and they are the only ones at fault for the crime.

however you raise a few interesting subjects.

 Obviously no one's telling them to walk on the streets alone at night.

and why is that?  because it is common sense? because they should be knowing that anyway? because it is dangerous for anyone?

It's not as if she's stepping on hot coal and getting her legs burnt. 

same! common knowledge! do not step on hot coal, or if you have to go in the hot coal area wear the right shoes! is that what you are saying? i don't think anyone would disagree with that.

anyway, my point is it can never be theit fault if they are victims of a rape. but will that knowledge help them if they do get raped? i don't think so.

 

 

Getting burned if touching hot coal is a natural consequence of said act. Rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.



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MrBubbles said:
HappySqurriel said:
MrBubbles said:
DKHustlin said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

humans are more intelligent than bears


yes.  they are much more capable of stalking and ambushing their prey.  you may not even see the rapist in the shadow of an alley or under a large tree.


From my understanding, those only represent a very small percentage of the rape cases in the western world ...

those are the types that likely would choose the most opportune and not care what they are wearing(as they are already out for the purpose of rape) but it goes well with the bear example describing an animal like predator

but the difference is a human is not a bear. anyone who rapes someone has no justification for doing it, regardless of what the woman was doing or how she was dressed. like you said, the bear is a predator, and any rapist is a sexual predator. you cant blame the victim for the actions of the aggressor. i agree that what the cop wa saying is being blown out of proportion a little, but the point still stands that no one can blame a victim, in this case a woman, for a crim committed against them, in this case rape.



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mantlepiecek said:

I find sapphi snake's responses very funny.

Parents tell their children all the time that roaming alone is dangerous for them, they might get kidnapped. So imagine in such a situation if all the kids start roaming alone to f&*king prove a point.

I realize that women are grown human beings and all, but honestly, what the policeman said was hardly saying like rape was a woman's fault or anything like that.
Its like saying lock your f&*king doors at night if you don't want thieves to steal your property.

Some activists are really the most dumb people on this planet.

He didn't say that. He told them not to wear "revealing" clothing, and suggested that women that wear such clothing are "sluts". He also implied that "sluts" are asking to be raped, after all, that's what you can deduce when someone tells you: "Don't wanna get raped? Don't dress like a slut!".



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
mantlepiecek said:

I find sapphi snake's responses very funny.

Parents tell their children all the time that roaming alone is dangerous for them, they might get kidnapped. So imagine in such a situation if all the kids start roaming alone to f&*king prove a point.

I realize that women are grown human beings and all, but honestly, what the policeman said was hardly saying like rape was a woman's fault or anything like that.
Its like saying lock your f&*king doors at night if you don't want thieves to steal your property.

Some activists are really the most dumb people on this planet.

He didn't say that. He told them not to wear "revealing" clothing, and suggested that women that wear such clothing are "sluts". He also implied that "sluts" are asking to be raped, after all, that's what you can deduce when someone tells you: "Don't wanna get raped? Don't dress like a slut!".

He said don't dress like sluts to avoid being victimized. I don't see the big deal.

The only way this would be a big deal is if people wanted to dress like sluts.

"Don't wanna get raped? Don't dress like a slut!" is hardly what he said. He didn't say that sluts are the only people that get raped. Your assumption implies that.



sapphi_snake said:
MrBubbles said:
you cover yourself in honey and walk through the woods. whos fault is it when a bear rips you open.

They say that animals are purely driven by instinct, wheras humans have rational thought. Due to this you presented a bad analogy. As I said before, rape is not a natural consequence of wearing revealing clothing.

If rapists had rational thought they wouldn't be rapists.