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CrazzyMan said:
Onimusha12 said:
If Piracy is the prime cause of the PSP's problems then why isn't the same happening to the DS which is far easier to pirate? Wouldn't it be possible that people are just buying it primarily as a mobile media device with free services instead of a game playing device?

PSP buy more advanced users, while DS buy more casual people, which play such games like brain training, nintendo dogs and etc. Usually besides those games, they can buy 2-3 normal games, which cost almost same as M3 card + 4GB flash card.


I don't (necessarily) agree with that ...

Much like the Dreamcast at the end of its life, people who are interested in the PSP as a gaming device are buying it primarily because you can easily steal games with no modification of the system. It sounds odd, but if 40% of people who are buying your system are buying it because games are "free", 20% are buying it because of its multimedia functionality,  there really isn't that many people left to buy games.



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Like I've said before, the PSP has low software sales simply because people aren't buying it to play games, not because of how easy it is to play isos.

 This kind of thing went on like crazy with the PS2 and Xbox(there's even a book entitled Hacking The Xbox, and you can mod a slim PS2 with tape and kleenex or play-doh), and yet neither of them had such dissapointing software sales. As someone who's been modding/hacking consoles for over ten years, I can honestly say that it's easier(and cheaper) to do this with the DS than it is with the PSP, it's just that people who do this will prefer the PSP because it has more capabilities when it's hacked.

 The PSP was simply marketed as an all-in-one multimedia device first and a gaming system second, and that's what people are buying it for. The people who are buying it because they can hack it probably wouldn't have bought it if it weren't hackable, so while an unhackable PSP would have a higher attach rate, it would still have about the same amount of software sold.

If this kind of thing were truly responsible for lower sales, then all of the record labels and movie studios should have long ago filed for chapter 11 considering that an artist's entire discography and/or a bunch of movies can be downloaded within mere hours.

The Dreamcast had low software because people simply lost interest in it as it was killed by the announcement of the PS2, not because of people playing burned games on it. In 1998-2000, nearly all computers shipped with just a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive, and 4x/8x CD writers still cost about $350. Also, the vast majority of people with internet access were still on dial-up, and P2P services like Kazaa, Morpheus, Emule, and Bittorent did not yet exist, so not only were DC isos a lot harder to find, they took for bloody ever to download.

 

 



 

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Like I've said before, the PSP has low software sales simply because people aren't buying it to play games, not because of how easy it is to play isos.

This kind of thing went on like crazy with the PS2 and Xbox(there's even a book entitled Hacking The Xbox, and you can mod a slim PS2 with tape and kleenex or play-doh), and yet neither of them had such dissapointing software sales. As someone who's been modding/hacking consoles for over ten years, I can honestly say that it's easier(and cheaper) to do this with the DS than it is with the PSP, it's just that people who do this will prefer the PSP because it has more capabilities when it's hacked.

The PSP was simply marketed as an all-in-one multimedia device first and a gaming system second, and that's what people are buying it for. The people who are buying it because they can hack it probably wouldn't have bought it if it weren't hackable, so while an unhackable PSP would have a higher attach rate, it would still have about the same amount of software sold.

If this kind of thing were truly responsible for lower sales, then all of the record labels and movie studios should have long ago filed for chapter 11 considering that an artist's entire discography and/or a bunch of movies can be downloaded within mere hours.

The Dreamcast had low software because people simply lost interest in it as it was killed by the announcement of the PS2, not because of people playing burned games on it. In 1998-2000, nearly all computers shipped with just a CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive, and 4x/8x CD writers still cost about $350. Also, the vast majority of people with internet access were still on dial-up, and P2P services like Kazaa, Morpheus, Emule, and Bittorent did not yet exist, so not only were DC isos a lot harder to find, they took for bloody ever to download.

 

 


That business about the DC is most certainly not true.  I can't tell you how many people I know bought a DC just because the games were free.  I feel guilty about it now, but I was one of those.  CD burners at that time most certainly didn't cost $350.  I was delivering pizza and was able to afford them.  Also, DSL was becoming widely available, and cable modems even more so.  P2P, while not as popular and widespread as it is now, was most definitely around.  This is evidenced by the fact that around that time the record labels started to throw a shit fit about piracy, and Metallica were all up in arms over Napster.

When you mention that it's also possible to hack the PS2 and that it's sales weren't hurt by that, you conveniently fail to remember that in order to hack a PS2 and play pirated games required opening your PS2 and soldering chips onto the motherboard.  This most definitely had an impact on the number of people who were able to pirate PS2 games.  This is in sharp contrast to the DC and PSP, both of which require(d) no more than downloading and copying data.



phil said:
Onimusha12 said:
Munkeh111 said:
Onimusha12 said:
Troll_Monster said:
Leni said:
come on, it's obvious that Wii's success is it's gameplay!!!
please, don't say "Ps3 has gameplay", is has the gamplay of Ps1!!!

also, Wii has not only mini-game titles, it also has hard-core games like "Metroid Prime3: Corruption" and "The Legend of Zelda", it also has the "PES 2008", "No More Heroes", "Resident Evil".......i don't think these games are for children ......

WII is for EVERYONE

i have both wii and ps3, i'm not a hard-core gamer as you may call it, but i prefer Wii, although they are both are awesome, Wii is more Fun to play, Ps3 is like Ps2 with better graphics, which is NOT enough to cause people to waste their money to get one!!!

 

I'll ask you a question, why can't we have games which are both fun and have great graphics?


Because these "Great Graphics", as you put it, this generation come at a heafty price for both consumer and developer.


Yes, but they still exist. I am sure many people will agree Uncharted, Ratchet, Bioshock, AC and CoD all had graphics and gameplay


Gameplay no better than any of the last generations with an analog stick. I Hope those graphics simply just "existing" is more than enough to compensate for the fact that they've handicapped the HD consoles in more ways than one. By your logic, if better graphics exist, and they do, and that's more than enough reason to demand them as the standard, why not just get a top of the line PC with even better gameplay (mouse & keyboard)? What? Too expensive you say? Well I guess you finally realized the dillemma with exceedingly expensive products vs more economic and appealing competitors.

Was one more generation really too much to wait for you to have those graphics? Did you really have to have them now at the cost of losing the lead to Nintendo? Was it worth alienating "Hardcore" genres even more?

Well I guess we can find a positive in anything though. While Nintendo is comfortably making an astronomical profit this generation with economic graphics they'll be more than ready next gen to take advantage of all the money Sony and Microsoft lost this generation inbuilding up the Industry's development standards and infrastructure to this unrealistic standard of graphics they've touted, which by next gen will be more than economic if by no other means than the fact that Sony and MS made it so at their own expense and loss this generation.

 

You're assuming here that gameplay on the Wii would be worse if it were just the old Gamecube controller.  Good luck proving that one.


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It is absolutely amazing that people bring the wii into a discussion about the PS3 tracking the PSP's footsteps.
Every thread I go into, people make it about the wii.
Enough already.

We get it



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ultraslick said:
It is absolutely amazing that people bring the wii into a discussion about the PS3 tracking the PSP's footsteps.
Every thread I go into, people make it about the wii.
Enough already.

We get it

It's actually kind of funny but the Wii supporters are very rarely the ones who ever introduce the Wii as an issue in such threads outside of simply acknowledging it, its even more amazing to what lengths 360 and PS3 gamers will go to pretend the Wii doesn't exist in a discussion. Either way, in a thread where you're talking about the success and trends facing two consoles in contrast to their competition, I don't see how talking about said competition is out of place or in poor taste.



kber81 said:
rocketpig said:

And BTW, the PSP is far easier to pirate than a DS. All you need is an internet connection and an hour of your time for most units.


Also PSP appeals to people who are much familiar with hacking than average 14 yo schoolgirl who like Animal Crossing and Brain Training the most (I mean to 14-24 yo core male gamer). It's not about difficulties but audiency.

As long as PSP makes money for Sony I don't care. It could make more though. Shame.


That's funny, because I've never seen an adult with a psp, only kids. On the other hand, I know a lot of adults who have a ds. Looks like those schoolgirls prefer the psp's 'hardcore' gaming.

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Onimusha12 said:
phil said:
Onimusha12 said:
Munkeh111 said:
Onimusha12 said:
Troll_Monster said:
Leni said:
come on, it's obvious that Wii's success is it's gameplay!!!
please, don't say "Ps3 has gameplay", is has the gamplay of Ps1!!!

also, Wii has not only mini-game titles, it also has hard-core games like "Metroid Prime3: Corruption" and "The Legend of Zelda", it also has the "PES 2008", "No More Heroes", "Resident Evil".......i don't think these games are for children ......

WII is for EVERYONE

i have both wii and ps3, i'm not a hard-core gamer as you may call it, but i prefer Wii, although they are both are awesome, Wii is more Fun to play, Ps3 is like Ps2 with better graphics, which is NOT enough to cause people to waste their money to get one!!!

 

I'll ask you a question, why can't we have games which are both fun and have great graphics?


Because these "Great Graphics", as you put it, this generation come at a heafty price for both consumer and developer.


Yes, but they still exist. I am sure many people will agree Uncharted, Ratchet, Bioshock, AC and CoD all had graphics and gameplay


Gameplay no better than any of the last generations with an analog stick. I Hope those graphics simply just "existing" is more than enough to compensate for the fact that they've handicapped the HD consoles in more ways than one. By your logic, if better graphics exist, and they do, and that's more than enough reason to demand them as the standard, why not just get a top of the line PC with even better gameplay (mouse & keyboard)? What? Too expensive you say? Well I guess you finally realized the dillemma with exceedingly expensive products vs more economic and appealing competitors.

Was one more generation really too much to wait for you to have those graphics? Did you really have to have them now at the cost of losing the lead to Nintendo? Was it worth alienating "Hardcore" genres even more?

Well I guess we can find a positive in anything though. While Nintendo is comfortably making an astronomical profit this generation with economic graphics they'll be more than ready next gen to take advantage of all the money Sony and Microsoft lost this generation inbuilding up the Industry's development standards and infrastructure to this unrealistic standard of graphics they've touted, which by next gen will be more than economic if by no other means than the fact that Sony and MS made it so at their own expense and loss this generation.

 

You're assuming here that gameplay on the Wii would be worse if it were just the old Gamecube controller. Good luck proving that one.


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 Yeah, I own RE4 on the Wii.  You haven't proven anything.



HappySqurriel said:
CrazzyMan said:
Onimusha12 said:
If Piracy is the prime cause of the PSP's problems then why isn't the same happening to the DS which is far easier to pirate? Wouldn't it be possible that people are just buying it primarily as a mobile media device with free services instead of a game playing device?

PSP buy more advanced users, while DS buy more casual people, which play such games like brain training, nintendo dogs and etc. Usually besides those games, they can buy 2-3 normal games, which cost almost same as M3 card + 4GB flash card.


I don't (necessarily) agree with that ...

Much like the Dreamcast at the end of its life, people who are interested in the PSP as a gaming device are buying it primarily because you can easily steal games with no modification of the system. It sounds odd, but if 40% of people who are buying your system are buying it because games are "free", 20% are buying it because of its multimedia functionality, there really isn't that many people left to buy games.


 Exactly.   If the PSP wasn't eaisly piratable, more PSP games wouldn't sell (or the bump would be pretty negligable.)  Instead PSP  hardware sales would drop.



lol wow, this is not funny anymore the whole community has turned to the nintendo fanboy side. This is terrible, what happened to the site when I first logged in?

Now its if psp wasnt hacked sales would be much lower..

Its like your turning common sense(wii games will be ported to PS360 -wtf?) into a biased statement.

We have people saying as wii as the dominant console PS360 will get ports and wii will be the main console.. then to wii achieving gears of war- call of duty 4 graphics, and now every thread people try to say wii is something more than a gaming machine and leaning towards a god?

This is scary and rediculus..



 

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PS3: 22M

360: 25M

wii: 40M