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Nintendo Fanboy - Thats the exact kind of additude that proves why N-fanboys hurt 3rd party sales. If there are enough people like you, we might see the Wii end up like the N64 (if we're lucky). Don't get offended by what I say, but again, you cut your own throat because for every 1 Nintendo fanboy there are 10 mainstream casual gamers supporting the system with good 3rd party titles.

Nintendo titles are NOT the greatest. They have some of the greatest, but they also have the largest studios out there. Not only this, Nintendo doesnt cater to me (RPG fan) so I can't really love them like I should.



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fanboys themself are not to blame...

they are like ultra' in soccer.

they want their team to win always... 

they often are hypercritic. 

 

in 90's there were a sort of respect between segaians and nintendians...

 instead I don't' like peole that think to be "more gamers" than others only because they have 2 or 3 consoles...

there is a sort of racism from these people.. 

 

for nintendo :

only 2 words

 Nintendo Difference

 

like miyamoto says to developers recently Nintendo has his vision about games...

so nintedians have to choose to follow or not this vision. 

and developers too.

miyamoto invited developers to show alternatives...it's a challange...

nothing to blame to nintendians for have embraced Nintendo Vision. 

Now It's up to developers to show what they are able to do...

wii will sii... 

 



FishyJoe said:

Fanboys, what can you say? Did someone on this board make this video? Fess up Kwaad!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ffHVTMOTfB0


I liked it, it takes nerve for that kid to video/upload himself, he is entitled to his opinion.

 

I found another ps3 video, Im scared of this guy, watch it, it is funny!!!~!!

 

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=KeWlaztVN3w

 this drunk guy saying 360/ps3 and all systems suck except nes, this guy is classic



In my opinion fanboys/loyalists are the life/blood of any major software developer!

 Look at Sega's platform's from Saturn to DreamCast they were almost entirely supported by Fanboys/Loyalists. Many third parties benefitted from this look at UbiSoft on the DreamCast EA's choice to abandon the platform left UbiSoft a monopoly. Many other third parties also benefitted from the die hard fan's who stcuk with the console despite all odds. Infact DreamCast continued selling third party games untill late last year, the harcore fanboy crowd continued loyaly supporting their Sega platform (Japan).

 The GameCube sold very poorly in the first few years, the die hard fanbase and Loyalist user base supported the software on GameCube. This turned into a highly successful market for Sega who's Sonic games sold better on GameCube then any other platform. other companies found minor to huge success on GameCube with their titles too. Titles like BatenKaitos and Resident Evil were supported by the massive loyal Nintendo user base who chose the GameCube version over the PlayStation2 version despite added content!

 I actually believ that Loyalists expecially are the life behind third party sales and intern the majority of a consoles software sales! Why? While hardcore gamers blow money on all three or two platform'sLoyalists concentrate on a single platform all that money that would have been spent on another consoleare instead spent on more games. This means more sales for third parties. A third party doesn't make any money when you buy a new game console they only make money when you buy thir games. This leads me to believe that third parties are actually helped greatly by peoples choice to stick with a single console!

 



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Joelcool7 said:

Recently on the Nintendo N-Sider forums I confronted a N-Sider who claimed that fanboy's were the downfall of Nintendo. So I've come here to talk about it in a more intellectual manner!  As well as talk about fanboys in general on all platform's not exclusive to Nintendo's platforms.

A fanboy is somebody who is not only loyal to a specific company but narrow mindedly supports that single company in any and all situations. A fanboy cannot be reasoned with and blindly supports his or her specific company only. In some cases fanboys have been known even to boycott third party titles on their companies platform!

 A Loyalist is a gamer who remains open minded enjoying all games but sticks to a single platform loyaly prefering that companies titles and hardware to any of the other companies. Loyalism is the loyalty to a single brand. A Loyalist however can often be talked toand will often support htird parties and first parties. A loyalists Ideology is often why buy a second platform when I can use that money to buy jmore of the games on my existing platform. I'm happy with (Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo) why would I want to go buy the other companies hardware.

Now that being said do loyalists/fanboy's hurt third party sales, which consoles are most affected by Fanboy's and are they affected in a positive or negative manor? 


So this N-sider is claiming that the Nintendo fanboy were the ones causing the Downfall of Nintendo? I some what agree the Nintendo "Fanboy" would support all the games that came from nintendo, but maybe not so much a 3rd party game. If you look at Nintendo game sales the "big"sales are Nintendo games. Thats the only thing i could think of that he means. Since really the last couple of generations of consoles Nintendo really only had the fanboy buying thier system so the numbers for 3rd party release were not good. With that said though would Nintendo even made it through those 2 gnerations without the "fanboy"?



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mrstickball said:

Nintendo Fanboy - Thats the exact kind of additude that proves why N-fanboys hurt 3rd party sales. If there are enough people like you, we might see the Wii end up like the N64 (if we're lucky). Don't get offended by what I say, but again, you cut your own throat because for every 1 Nintendo fanboy there are 10 mainstream casual gamers supporting the system with good 3rd party titles.

Nintendo titles are NOT the greatest. They have some of the greatest, but they also have the largest studios out there. Not only this, Nintendo doesnt cater to me (RPG fan) so I can't really love them like I should.


you accept my point that nintendo makes some of the greatest games, right? because then i don't see why you can't agree with me. my point is that on n64 and gc are a lot of good first party titles and not that much good third party titles as on some other consoles. i mean, if there were good third party titles out there for my consoles, i bought them. (exept some good action/fps games, because i don't really like that genre.)

the problem that the big third party titles didn't sell as well as the nintendo titles was probably the userbase. I think about Resident Evil 4 and Tales of Symphonia now. RPG-fans went away from nintendo in the n64 days, and mature games fans never have been on nintendo consoles.

it really would be ignorant to say that every game published by nintendo is better than the third party games. I for example know very well that most of the nintendogames are developped by second parties, and there is no reason that these games are better than third party games automatically.

I hope you understand my point.



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I really don't think you can blame poor third party sales on Nintendo consoles on Fanboys so much as 3rd parties and nintendo itself.

 

Fact 1: Nintendo got very cocky and alienated many 3rd parties Square etc.

 Fact 2: When Nintendo get's a 3rd party game it's often a port of a game already existing on another console or a game that's going to come out on another console in the future usually with a simmilar or larger user base so naturally sales would be better ( Resident Evil 4, Manhunt 2, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, are good examples)

Fact 3: Normally 3rd parties don't seem to use the extras available on the nintendo games to their fullest, compare DS/Wii games from 1st party to 3rd party there is a difference of use in most cases the 1st party use them better.(not ALWAYS)

 Fact 4: 3rd parties sometime put spin offs of their popular games onto Nintendo consoles (The only good example I can think of is Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicals.) more often then not these games just pale to their original series.

Fact 5: A lot of times 3rd parties but their 2nd 3rd and even 4th tier developers onto projects for nintendo consoles(This is only showing up recently on GCN N64 and kinda unsure about wii I haven't really looked.) The point is putting a B or C team on a game expected to compete with a popular software makers A team is simply retarded.

 

I think the 3rd party sales are a fault of Rabid fans, good titles vs poor titles(Nintendo normally makes some damn good games but wtf is with mario playing sports?!) and probably a lot of other stuff we can't see without being in the buisness. Just a thought though...