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phinch1 on 25 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Except you know... they didn't.


Well that's down to personal opinion, i do believe this is a case where Sony gave an inch and a small minortiy of people tried to take a mile

I can't see what drives such an opinion though... espiecally considering case law against this.

NIntendo lost everytime they tried to sue people who made games like Action 52.


Why are you bringing up nintendo? The only reason i pulled up your comment was  because you said

"ony just goes very far out of their way to try and prevent you from being able to program on their console."        


Which is a completely unfair comment as they have even pushed it in some cases, yet we both have personal opinions on it, i think its wrong what hackers have been trying to get out of the system and have taken it too far, and you don't, were not going to agree so lets just leave it...



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Kasz216 on 25 May 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Except you know... they didn't.


Well that's down to personal opinion, i do believe this is a case where Sony gave an inch and a small minortiy of people tried to take a mile

I can't see what drives such an opinion though... espiecally considering case law against this.

NIntendo lost everytime they tried to sue people who made games like Action 52.


Why are you bringing up nintendo? The only reason i pulled up your comment was  because you said

"ony just goes very far out of their way to try and prevent you from being able to program on their console."        


Which is a completely unfair comment as they have even pushed it in some cases, yet we both have personal opinions on it, i think its wrong what hackers have been trying to get out of the system and have taken it too far, and you don't, were not going to agree so lets just leave it...

In very rare cases... and then they sued someone who made their robot dog do tricks and increase the sales of the product... Sony pretty much goes one way on this.

Aside from which... we have different opinions... but the thing is... I'm basing mine on something.  I don't see anything your basing your opinion on... except wanting to have an opinion that is what it is.  It would be like argueing about evoltion.  One person has something they can point to as a precedent (like I just did with A52) while another group has none.



Tridrakious on 26 May 2011
loves2splooge said:
kitler53 said:
Ail said:
Damnyouall said:

http://humblehomebrew.com/

About "The Humble Homebrew Collection":

...

Let Sony know that, as a customer, you want homebrew games, you want to see the real purpose of the Copyright Law used properly: To encourage creativity and innovation. Let them know that, as a customer, you are willing to pay for quality homebrew and that if they wanted to, they can get a share of that money. After all, all they care about is money!

Thank you


There's this thing called Playstation store.

If you want to go publish a game for the PS3 that is the way to go.....

but that would require purchasing a development kit from sony and those are expensive.  didn't you know that we are entitled to free access to all of sony's development tools?  i mean, if EPIC can give out Unreal for free certain sony should have to as well ...

But even if they could afford the development kit is that any guarantee that Sony would accept the games onto Playstation Store? If you are an upstart indie development studio, you're not going to get on PSN. If an indie studio makes it onto PSN, it's usually because they made their name before with computer or smartphone games. Right now the only real option for an unspart indie developer is the home computer or Android. Even the Critter Crunch guys started with mobile games.

The PC and Android are the wild, wild west. Even if your stuff isn't accepted by Android Market, you can still set up your own website and sell your apps there and you don't have to mod a PC or root an Android to play these homebrew games. You might get in Apple App Store or Xbox Live Indie Games but Apple are notorious app rejection nazis (and you'll have to jailbreak an iOS device to play "unauthorized content") and you need to pass a community-led peer-review to get on Xbox Live Indie Games.

This is why the PC and Android (so as long as Google keeps it open) will always be awesome. It's a truly democratic process. Anyone with a computer and some pirated software and e-books that is willing to learn can call themselves a videogame designer (not necessarily a good one though. lol).

Sony has this thing called the Pub Fund, where if you make a game exclusive to PSN. They pay for half of the development.

There is also the PlayStation Minis. Sony did just announce the PlayStation Certified, official licensing program and a deal with Android.

Basically Sony is legally expanding it's presence everywhere. This thread was created by bitch babies who have nothing better to do than bitch that they aren't making money on something that an entire industry is.



phinch1 on 26 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Except you know... they didn't.


Well that's down to personal opinion, i do believe this is a case where Sony gave an inch and a small minortiy of people tried to take a mile

I can't see what drives such an opinion though... espiecally considering case law against this.

NIntendo lost everytime they tried to sue people who made games like Action 52.


Why are you bringing up nintendo? The only reason i pulled up your comment was  because you said

"ony just goes very far out of their way to try and prevent you from being able to program on their console."        


Which is a completely unfair comment as they have even pushed it in some cases, yet we both have personal opinions on it, i think its wrong what hackers have been trying to get out of the system and have taken it too far, and you don't, were not going to agree so lets just leave it...

In very rare cases... and then they sued someone who made their robot dog do tricks and increase the sales of the product... Sony pretty much goes one way on this.

Aside from which... we have different opinions... but the thing is... I'm basing mine on something.  I don't see anything your basing your opinion on... except wanting to have an opinion that is what it is.  It would be like argueing about evoltion.  One person has something they can point to as a precedent (like I just did with A52) while another group has none.


 this guy obviously has some talent, but in order to use the cell fully he should have paid to use development tools just like every other developer, and if he had something to share, share it on the PSN store like everyone else. if he's getting all the access to the cell by "hacking" how pissed off are all the other devlopers going to be after all the hoops they jumped through and money they spent, just to see someone do it for free, this is why i think he took it too far. happy now?



Kasz216 on 26 May 2011
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 said:
phinch1 said:
Kasz216 sa

 

ot going to agree so lets just leave it...

In very rare cases... and then they sued someone who made their robot dog do tricks and increase the sales of the product... Sony pretty much goes one way on this.

Aside from which... we have different opinions... but the thing is... I'm basing mine on something.  I don't see anything your basing your opinion on... except wanting to have an opinion that is what it is.  It would be like argueing about evoltion.  One person has something they can point to as a precedent (like I just did with A52) while another group has none.


 this guy obviously has some talent, but in order to use the cell fully he should have paid to use development tools just like every other developer, and if he had something to share, share it on the PSN store like everyone else. if he's getting all the access to the cell by "hacking" how pissed off are all the other devlopers going to be after all the hoops they jumped through and money they spent, just to see someone do it for free, this is why i think he took it too far. happy now?


Well no.  Because again, you haven't cited anything... and no offense... but that's really... a silly reason.

It's like saying that someone who is able to make rice crispy treats in their home shouldn't because it would piss off everyone who has to go to the store to buy them.

I at least get on some level the slippery slope it lead to piracy arguement even though it's a logical fallacy... i can understand why people would think that way.

Being mad at a hacker because he allows people to use their system in a new way rather then the way a corporation tries to restrict consumer rights because developers MAY be pissed off that people are no longer artificially constrained... is just... bizare.

I mean... maybe if we lived in like... Medievil England and people were upset that the printing press suddenly alowed the serfs to get books or something but.... such a strange classist arguement is just... well strange.



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Damnyouall on 26 May 2011

$ 926.19 USD



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Crystalchild on 26 May 2011

Buy a Devkit for some thousands of Bucks, and you can Dev whatever ya want.



I'm a Foreigner, and as such, i am grateful for everyone pointing out any mistakes in my english posted above - only this way i'll be able to improve. thank you!

Damnyouall on 27 May 2011

Why should they? They can now develop whatever they want (not just what Sony allows them to), with the free open source dev kit. And look, they did. And raised 980 USD so far.



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance

Damnyouall on 28 May 2011

Free Heroes 2 ported to PS3 by the Humble Homebrew guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fhhhkEtqXo



"Well certainly with the Xbox 360, we had some challenges at the launch. Once we identified that we took control of it. We wanted to do it right by our customers. Our customers are very important to us." -Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb (10/2013). Note: RRoD was fixed with the Jasper-revision 3 years after the launch of 360

"People don't pay attention to a lot of the details."-Yusuf Mehdi explaining why Xbone DRM scheme would succeed

"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity; it's called Xbox 360,”-Don Mattrick

"The region locking of the 3DS wasn't done for profits on games"-MDMAlliance