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flyingforce on 24 May 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest



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o_O.Q on 24 May 2011
Kasz216 said:
o_O.Q said:
Kasz216 said:
 

It is... among people who know shit about technology anyway.  If it wasn't common knowledge for Sony... Sony is unbelievably incompetant.

That would be like a Bank claiming ignorance of how bank robbers work.

so you're telling me before the network went down and before anon declared their attack you knew the network would be brought down specifically? that is to say you knew the exact measures they would take to attack sony? and there was no doubt in your mind that maybe they could have attacked via a different route like uploading new forms of firmware or finding some other way to mess with the hardware or software?... bear in mind i'm not saying an attack wasn't expected im saying that the exact type of attack couldn't possibly have been known before hand

I knew Sony would get DDOSed and I knew hackers would try to hack them.

Those are the very basic methods that have basically always been used by angry hackers.

I didn't think the DDOS would bring down PSN though, I thought it would just slow it.  Didn't think sony would have that many flaws in PSN either... but they did.

thats good therefore we agree that the activities which brought psn down ( not the ddos attacks ) couldn't have been anticipated... that was my point all along btw



Alby_da_Wolf on 24 May 2011
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.



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o_O.Q on 24 May 2011
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.


um hold on... who did sony sue? wasn't it geohot?... if we agree up to this point then the next question logically would be is he an honest user?

imo i would hardly consider geohot an honest customer he hacked the ps3 through linux which forced sony to remove the feature... if they didn't do that im quite sure piracy would have been a larger problem than it is now and that online play would have been seriously compromised ( so i definitely support sony's actions here if anything geohot was to blame for linux's removal )

furthermore geohot then went on to hack the ps3 again posting the keys to completely unlock the console online and this lead ( unintentionally according to him ) to online play being compromised and to a significant increase in piracy... sony then retaliated and sued him subsequently reaching the agreement after the lawsuit

btw yes i agree that you should be able to do whatever you want with your property but this isn't that simple because it involves a network and software that does not belong to you
 



Baalzamon on 24 May 2011
o_O.Q said:

thats good therefore we agree that the activities which brought psn down ( not the ddos attacks ) couldn't have been anticipated... that was my point all along btw


Well not to continue the argument further, but technically, I think the attacks were timed during the ddos attacks specifically so it would be easier for them.  So one could argue if somebody was ever going to hack Sony, doing so during a ddos attack would be a great time.



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flyingforce on 24 May 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

thats bull, he is one of those losers that idolize rappers he did it for the attention and to be "bad ass" he knew his hack would be used for piracy and cheats 99 out of 100 times and he didn't care not to mention him distributing Sony's code illegally modified to be ripe for cheats and piracy 



o_O.Q on 24 May 2011
Baalzamon said:
o_O.Q said:

thats good therefore we agree that the activities which brought psn down ( not the ddos attacks ) couldn't have been anticipated... that was my point all along btw


Well not to continue the argument further, but technically, I think the attacks were timed during the ddos attacks specifically so it would be easier for them.  So one could argue if somebody was ever going to hack Sony, doing so during a ddos attack would be a great time.


true i guess



o_O.Q on 24 May 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

yes true he always spoke out publicly against piracy... yet his actions allowed for it and compromised online gaming... its not your intentions thats important its the results of your actions...



Alby_da_Wolf on 24 May 2011
o_O.Q said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

yes true he always spoke out publicly against piracy... yet his actions allowed for it and compromised online gaming... its not your intentions thats important its the results of your actions...

Sony keeps the right to kick modded consoles out of its network, I don't deny its right, neither does GeoHot, AFAIK. BTW on PC gaming networks, you can access them with whatever PC you like and you can have any SW you like on your PC (as long as you use a supported OS, if the network isn't platform independent, or a supported browser if the net is based on them), your only obligations are to use unmodded games (or authorized mods of legit, not pirated copies of the games) and unmodded proprietary client for the network, if one is needed. Modding doesn't necessarily mean crime, piracy, malicious hacking or cheating and in the cases users use their freedom for not legit purposes, networks owners have every right to deny them access. Not to mention that it's like with weapons: forbidding honest people from owning them doesn't stop criminals.



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o_O.Q on 24 May 2011
Alby_da_Wolf said:
o_O.Q said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
flyingforce said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
iasta said:

@ o_0.Q

What happened to Sony was predictable, they sue lots of guys that discuss about the PS3 hacking (not the one for the back up player / usb loader, but the ones that do it for homebrew, not piracy) sure they should have prepare for shitstorm because you have the right to do what you want for the hardware your purchase, so it gives some incentive to hackers to mess with Sony and got some justification for it.

If sony only goes against the pirate, not the hackers they would have much less trouble.

Agree. Suing just the pirates is the only acceptable strategy, attacking honest users can only backfire, even if they don't piss hackers off, as they are pissing good customers off anyway, breaking one of the fundamental rules of commerce.

lol at calling geohotz honest

Isn't he? He was sued only in a civil lawsuit and never condemned. He always spoke against piracy. He just wants users to keep the freedom to modify what they buy for legit purposes.

yes true he always spoke out publicly against piracy... yet his actions allowed for it and compromised online gaming... its not your intentions thats important its the results of your actions...

Sony keeps the right to kick modded consoles out of its network, I don't deny its right, neither does GeoHot, AFAIK. BTW on PC gaming networks, you can access them with whatever PC you like and you can have any SW you like on your PC (as long as you use a supported OS, if the network isn't platform independent, or a supported browser if the net is based on them), your only obligations are to use unmodded games (or authorized mods of legit, not pirated copies of the games) and unmodded proprietary client for the network, if one is needed. Modding doesn't necessarily mean crime, piracy, malicious hacking or cheating and in the cases users use their freedom for not legit purposes, networks owners have every right to deny them access. Not to mention that it's like with weapons: forbidding honest people from owning them doesn't stop criminals.

"Sony keeps the right to kick modded consoles out of its network"

They should also have the right to attack any threats to their software or to the games that hard working people toil to create

"Modding doesn't necessarily mean crime, piracy, malicious hacking or cheating"

agreed but the bottomline is that it happened in this case... and sony attacked the source first by removing linux then geohot... to say that they should attack the pirates only is pointless if the source is still there to provide the exploits so that more pirates are formed

"forbidding honest people from owning them doesn't stop criminals"

i disagree if theres a situation where the weapons can be successfully prevented from being obtained by either ( stop the source ) then both will do without... which was sony's plan i would have to assume