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Vetteman94 said:
zarx said:
Vetteman94 said:
zarx said:
Vetteman94 said:
zarx said:

I can't say NotStan is looking that scumy to me, Vett with his lurking and parroting seems like a much better target.

Vote Vetteman94

I love how parrotting has become a reason to lynch someone.  Its like if you dont have a specific reason that is unique from everyone else you are scum.  Its like its impossible for 2 people to agree on an idea as to how someone is acting, and you both cant use that reason to think someone is scum.   

As for the lurking,  it seems my definition of the word lurking is different from yours,  please explain how I am lurking?

Well you missed the first few days even tho you were on VGchartz and since then you haven't posted a lot, and most posts you have made have been in responce to someone targetting you like me voting you now. The fact that you have not posted in ages and then post imediaatly after I vote for you proves my point. The vote was a test to see if you were really lurking as in reading the thread but not posting unless adressed .

I wasnt anywhere near a computer the first 2 days.  Interestingly despite missing the first 2 days I have posted more than you have.  And of course I am going to respond to people targetting me, its is my job as a player to adress any issues someone has with me.   

My last post was 8 hours ago, I didnt realize that 8 hours is now the equivilant of ages.  But before your post response to Stefl you hadnt posted in 16 hours,  that must be an eternity.  

My advice to you is,  dont accuse someone of lurking when you are a bigger offender then they are

Oh I have been lurking I was busy last couple of days didn't have a lot of free time to spend and not of all me free time was spent on this game. I seem to have skiped over a page of this thread tho so I apologise I was in a hurry to catch up and must have skiped ahead and missed your last batch of posts.

Vote No lynch

Wow,  i dont know what it is but I kinda agree with Stefl about you now.  You just backed off so easily as to avoid confrotation. That and you have admitted to lurking.   And now with Silver Tiger and Linkz being "town",  that moves you to the top of my list.  I dont know if something this simple is worth a vote.  But given the state of this games first day I think its imperative that it ends in a lynch.

Vote: zarx


the vote was to see how long it would take you to reply more than anything and was bassed on a theory that was bassed on erroneous data from me trying to catch up on the thread as quickly as possible as I knew I hadn't had time to contribute much the last few days.



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GodOfWar_3ever said:

Mafia Analysis

Zarx

The very first post he made is about how he had to swim because the bridges were blocked. Not much of a contribution, but he announced his arrival to the game pretty early. 

5 hours later, Zarx returns with a single lined post telling prof that he will be watching him closely. Again, not much of a contribution. [Post Reference]

Then, nearly a day later, Zarx shows up with another non-contributing post, about throwing a party to get people to the thread. :/

Maybe I'm being too harsh on him for not contributing, but with discussions going on about Notstan's comments, the whole discussion related to stefl's extremely simplistic question and all, he really had nothing better to say ?

But to be fair to Zarx, he does like role playing. In the DBZ game he played, he made a LOT of quotes from the series, and enjoyed himself I guess and he was pro-town. I'm not implying that he is pro-town in this game as well, but its not new for him to take a step further than most with the role playing.

Next, Zarx gives us an idea of his experience with GTA IV. Which seems to suggest that he isn't too familiar with the game at all.

Then, Zarx seems to be annoyed that Stefl called out for him to contribute more, and counters Stefl's vote on him witha FoS. This comes off as a bit defensive to me. What do you guys think ? [Post Reference]

Then he proceeds to tell stefl that everyone's behaviour on day 1 seemed natural except for his. Stefl's aggression could be a scum tell according to zarx. (maybe this hit a soft spot on stefl, and thats why he is so forward to get zarx lynched ?). zarx says that he doesn't have enough data to anaylze anyone at this point.

Afterwards, during the whole Linkz PM fiasco, Zarx gets into the discussion for the first time really by commenting on something that wasn't directed at him which isn't a joke by pointing out how he thinks linkz' 2nd PM is fishy.

The next post Zarx makes after a good while is this [Post Reference] -

 

"How long is it until the end of the day anyway?"

As I consider it, anyone eager to get the day to end is either scum or pro-town excited about his night action. But if I had to choose either of those profiles for zarx, it'd be the former because of his low contribution. As vette pointed out, later on, Zarx is an active lurker for the most part in this game.
In his next 2 posts, zarx brings up linkz' 2nd PM again.
Afterwards, zarx proceeds to HoS link and not vote for him, because he is against day one lynches, but wants other people's opinions on the matter. In his next post, zarx says that even though linkz is the most suspicious he doesn't want to lynch him.
Zarx, IIRC, is one of the few people who never voted for lynch. Maybe its his attitude towards day 1 lynches, or maybe its him trying to distance himself from having to do anything with a mislynch. Zarx wanted our opinions on how to proceed about linkz, and even though he didn't get much feedback (except maybe being called a spineless puppet by yours truly) he had made up his mind about not wanting to lynch linkz by the time he made the next post. 
Imo, this looks like he is trying to blend in with the townies by HoSing him, and yet distancing himself from a possible mislynch. 
After quite a long absence, zarx returns with a post where he says that he wouldn't believe linkz if he announced that he had read his PM finally. If he distrusts the guy so much, why not vote for him ?
So what exactly happens when someone who says his suspicions on Linkz is not enough to justify a vote, and refuses to believe that he would read his PM do when that person nameclaims ? {PR}
"Well shit, I am going have to think about this new info"
Think about it ? Why, if he never had any intention of voting for linkz ? The only thing he (any pretty much anyone else) had to think about it is whether his roleclaim was true or false, and how it matches up with how he has been playing (although that doesn't really apply here as linkz hadn't really read his PM). I think this post, or the way I'm reading it anyway, is a little odd.
And as Stefl continues his crusade against zarx, the guy questions stefl why he is his top suspect when there are lurkers such as "Wildvine and god of war". Maybe someone is feeling a bit insecure ? He seems to try and divert attention away to less frequent posters (yet I still maintain, with my low post count, I still made more contributions to the town than zarx did). Zarx later says that he pointed the "lurkers" out because he didn't understand why stefl didn't suspect them "at all".
Zarx is one of the early persons to vote for a time limit, again showing his impatience to end the day as mentioned earlier in this analysis. [PR]
Zarx is pointed out by stefl to be the only person who hadn't voted in the game, for which he replies with saying that he didn't want to lynch anyone, and felt that a no lynch vote was unnecessary at the time. Yet, a few moments later, zarx votes for vetteman out of the blue, as he had shown little interest in him before (vetteman isn't in the "lurkers" he pointed out for example). [PR]
This could be to try and counter stefl's suspicions on him ? Zarx feels threatened when someone votes or suspects him even when he was pro-town (DBZ game) so I'd say he would've done this under pressure from stefl, so I'm not sure if its scum or pro-town here. But it could also mean zarx was trying to get the lynch directed to someone else as the town were running out of lynch targets (linkz, silver-tiger, notstan).
After the vote, he gets into a little back and forth of exchanges with vetteman, he changes his vote to no lynch, and he didn't bold his vote, when vetteman makes him realize he hadn't posted much more than the one he is accusing of lurking. 
Also, zarx admits to "properly" catching up to this thread. As I've said before, scum would not bother to read all posts properly. [PR]
Yet again, impatience to end the day on display here...but right now, I can understand...nearly 1000 posts on day one O_O
So in conclusion, I think zarx is a pretty good lynch candidate. 
I think I might just vote for him, based simply on his impatience to get to the night. 
Vote : Zarx
This analysis made me realize a lot of things I missed out, so I urge you guys to re-check all posts of your suspects.
I'm watching Dexter right now (no that doesn't make me a serial killer....just an admirer :P), and I'll be going to sleep soon after. I'll be analyzing wildvine and vetteman tomorrow...Maybe I won't analyze stefl due to the sheer amount of posts he has. But whats notworthy about him are,
1. Refusal to vote for linkz (maybe he knows something)
2. Change in playstyle mostly
They make me suspicious.
Good night everybody.
Also - Wildvine hasn't been on for 2 whole days..


The main reason for the eagerness for the night is I found out I have jury duty coming up in a few weeks which would mean I may be away from a computer for a long time and the way this game is going day 3 probably won't be over by then.

The lack of contribution as I have said is a mix of a suddon loss of free time and the number of posts at times need to catch up. At least last night there weren't many and it's the week end now so I should have some more free time.



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Stefl1504 said:
Final-Fan said:

I would not expect anyone else to know anything about Linkz and NotStan, unless they are mafia instead of lovers, but that would be crazy because everyone would be like "WTF aren't you dead yet" the whole game. 

I am fine with discussing whether to No Lynch.  I think the town can't really afford it, but I would like it if we could. 
And prof -- we've been busy elsewhere

I think you mean Linkz and SilverTiger

For the record, yes I did. 



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zarx said:


The main reason for the eagerness for the night is I found out I have jury duty coming up in a few weeks which would mean I may be away from a computer for a long time and the way this game is going day 3 probably won't be over by then.

The lack of contribution as I have said is a mix of a suddon loss of free time and the number of posts at times need to catch up. At least last night there weren't many and it's the week end now so I should have some more free time.

When someone makes excuses due to reasons outside of the game, I wouldn't rule it out as a last ditch effort by scum. Homer (who was sick) during the DBZ round was scum. j0, whose birthday was on the day he was about to be lynched in the SF game was scum. 



GodOfWar_3ever said:
zarx said:


The main reason for the eagerness for the night is I found out I have jury duty coming up in a few weeks which would mean I may be away from a computer for a long time and the way this game is going day 3 probably won't be over by then.

The lack of contribution as I have said is a mix of a suddon loss of free time and the number of posts at times need to catch up. At least last night there weren't many and it's the week end now so I should have some more free time.

When someone makes excuses due to reasons outside of the game, I wouldn't rule it out as a last ditch effort by scum. Homer (who was sick) during the DBZ round was scum. j0, whose birthday was on the day he was about to be lynched in the SF game was scum. 

True but in this case it's not, you could lynch me and find that out if you want



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GodOfWar_3ever said:
zarx said:


The main reason for the eagerness for the night is I found out I have jury duty coming up in a few weeks which would mean I may be away from a computer for a long time and the way this game is going day 3 probably won't be over by then.

The lack of contribution as I have said is a mix of a suddon loss of free time and the number of posts at times need to catch up. At least last night there weren't many and it's the week end now so I should have some more free time.

When someone makes excuses due to reasons outside of the game, I wouldn't rule it out as a last ditch effort by scum. Homer (who was sick) during the DBZ round was scum. j0, whose birthday was on the day he was about to be lynched in the SF game was scum. 

For the record, Homer was really sick.



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TruckOSaurus said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
zarx said:


The main reason for the eagerness for the night is I found out I have jury duty coming up in a few weeks which would mean I may be away from a computer for a long time and the way this game is going day 3 probably won't be over by then.

The lack of contribution as I have said is a mix of a suddon loss of free time and the number of posts at times need to catch up. At least last night there weren't many and it's the week end now so I should have some more free time.

When someone makes excuses due to reasons outside of the game, I wouldn't rule it out as a last ditch effort by scum. Homer (who was sick) during the DBZ round was scum. j0, whose birthday was on the day he was about to be lynched in the SF game was scum. 

For the record, Homer was really sick.

I never said that he wasn't...I just meant that scum often use reasons outside of the game to avoid being lynched.

Anyway, what do you think of zarx ?



Baalzamon said:

L-6; Linkz: Heph, Truck, Wildvine, Prof, SilverTiger, (((Wonk))) (Not an official vote), Heph, Vette, GodofWar, Prof

L-5; NotStan: Prof, Prof, Linkz, Final-Fan, Prof, Truck, GodofWar

L-5; No Lynch: NotStan, Final-Fan, SilverTiger, Stefl, Zarx

L-4; Zarx: Stefl, Stefl, GodofWar, Vette

L-6; Vette: Linkz, Zarx

L-7; SilverTiger: GodofWar, Prof, Truck

L-6; Stefl: SilverTiger, Heph

L-7; Truck: Prof

L-7; GodofWar: Stefl

L-7; Wonk (invincible): Linkz, Final-Fan

L-7; Wildvine: Final-Fan, Prof

With 12 voters, 7 votes will result in a lynch.

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Voting History

Stefl: Godofwar->Unvote->Zarx->Unvote->No Lynch->Unvote->Zarx

NotStan: No Lynch->Unvote

Linkz: Wonk->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Vette

Final-Fan: Wildvine->Unvote->Wonk->Unvote->No Lynch->Unvote->NotStan

Truck: Linkz->Unvote->SilverTiger->Unvote->Notstan->Unvote

Vette: Linkz->Unvote->Zarx

Heph: Linkz->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->Stefl

Wonk: Cannot Vote; Unofficial Votes: Linkz->Unvote

Silver-Tiger: Linkz->Unvote->Stefl->Unvote->No Lynch

Zarx: Vette->Unvote->No Lynch

GodofWar: SilverTiger->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->Notstan->Unvote->Zarx

Wildvine: Linkz

Prof: Truck->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->SilverTiger->

(Prof continued)->Unvote->Wildvine->Unvote->NotStan

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Everything here should be up to date, but there has been a shitload of votes I had to update, so please correct me if any mistakes were made.

I believe we can separate the town in two groups the Train Riders and the Pussies (no offense, I needed a label).

Train Riders : Heph, Truck, Wildvine, Prof, Silver-Tiger, Wonk /// Heph, Vette, GoW, Prof

Pussies: NotStan, Final-Fan, Zark, Stefl

I've separated the Train Riders because I see the events regarding Linkz in two phases: the votes up until the fake L-1 and then the unvotes, revotes, change of focus to ST that led to the roleclaim.

If we've got three scum, my guess is that at least two Mafia members are among the Train Riders because defending against the mislynch on Day Two would have been quite easy. I also think one of them is hiding in the Pussies just because scum don't like to be all grouped together.

From the first phase of Train Riders, I'm trusting myself, Wonk (duh) and Silver-Tiger (for now). Now on to the others:

- Heph I don't feel too well about, I do believe that if he is scum he would had no problem letting Linkz hang but he was the first unvote him which would seem to indicate a concern townie but I wouldn't put it above him to have pulled that move just to appear town and this is reinforced but the fact that he revoted first and by his overconfidence when it was looking like Linkz could be lynched again (mainly his "We've got two scum" comment which seemed out of character from Heph to me).

- Wildvine, he voted as the train was getting steam, based on ideas on others, talked a bit about the second PM thing and disappeared. That looks really bad.

- Prof, I have mixed feelings about, he seems to be back to his normal self. He was the fourth vote on Linkz, a scum tell according to himself (I kinda enjoy being able to throw that at him :P). His accusations (not just on Linkz) never sounded fake or forced to me, so he does appear genuine but he's the kind of player that I never stop suspecting because I know he could very well be playing me. Also on a sidenote, he's been agreeing with too much for my taste, last time he agreed with me he had plans to kill me so it makes me uncomfortable (but then again I was scum so he was right in wanting me dead).

I hope my little exercice brings some discussion, I'll return later to check out who I think could be the reluctant Mafia in the Pussies but until then:

Vote: Wildvine



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