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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Btw notstan, the odds for two players from last game being scum this game are

3 mafia this game: 18.9% chance

4 mafia this game: 33.8% chance

Odds are actually pretty high.

Where in the world did you pull these numbers from? I thought your SK killing mafia numbers were off last round too, but that was out of thread so I didn't care to check/correct.

The actual odds of 2 mafia from last game being part of a 3man mafia team is:
3/13*2/12*100=3.85%
The actual odds of 2 mafia from last game being part of a 4man mafia team is:
4/13*3/12*100=7.69%

Still fairly high, but not close to likely. Then again those are the odds of picking any two random players and them being mafia.

NotStan wanted to know odds of 2 players being mafia in both games, and even though they are different events and thus meaningless, for giggles it's 0.3% for a 3man crew and 0.6% for a 4man crew.

that's not how dependent stats work.

Player A has 3/13 odds of being scum. Then there are only 12 roles left, 2 of which are mafia, thus Player B has 2/12 odds. Multiply them together, multiply by 100 to turn it into a percentage.



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

You are REALLY going to have to explain how I am more probable as a treacherous lover. I'd be very interested in how everything that's happened fits with that idea.

Ignoring that,

ABC said he would penalize roleclaimers by random.org. You said he would penalize you for roleclaiming.

Can you explain?

Continue to ignore it, because there is no explanation.

I said the PM stated whether or not I would be penalized. Never did I say I absolutely would be penalized. Care to explain how you forget that since I was vague about it every single time?



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

Btw notstan, the odds for two players from last game being scum this game are

3 mafia this game: 18.9% chance

4 mafia this game: 33.8% chance

Odds are actually pretty high.

Where in the world did you pull these numbers from? I thought your SK killing mafia numbers were off last round too, but that was out of thread so I didn't care to check/correct.

The actual odds of 2 mafia from last game being part of a 3man mafia team is:
3/13*2/12*100=3.85%
The actual odds of 2 mafia from last game being part of a 4man mafia team is:
4/13*3/12*100=7.69%

Still fairly high, but not close to likely. Then again those are the odds of picking any two random players and them being mafia.

NotStan wanted to know odds of 2 players being mafia in both games, and even though they are different events and thus meaningless, for giggles it's 0.3% for a 3man crew and 0.6% for a 4man crew.

that's not how dependent stats work.

Player A has 3/13 odds of being scum. Then there are only 12 roles left, 2 of which are mafia, thus Player B has 2/12 odds. Multiply them together, multiply by 100 to turn it into a percentage.

That factor has nothing to do with the same players from last game.

You take a bag of balls. 4 red ones, and 9 blue ones. The 4 represent the exact players from last game. Pulling out one at a time to pick the new mafia team, what are the chances that you pick out 2 red ones, with three chances to pick?

Your stat formula is the chance for ANY two players to be mafia together. Truck and Heph, or Dsis and ABC. It doesn't take into account specific players and doesn't account for the "pool" from the previous game.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

You are REALLY going to have to explain how I am more probable as a treacherous lover. I'd be very interested in how everything that's happened fits with that idea.

Ignoring that,

ABC said he would penalize roleclaimers by random.org. You said he would penalize you for roleclaiming.

Can you explain?

Continue to ignore it, because there is no explanation.

I said the PM stated whether or not I would be penalized. Never did I say I absolutely would be penalized. Care to explain how you forget that since I was vague about it every single time?

So then why'd you get a pm?

Do you realize how cagey you're being right now?



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theprof00 said:That factor has nothing to do with the same players from last game.

You take a bag of balls. 4 red ones, and 9 blue ones. The 4 represent the exact players from last game. Pulling out one at a time to pick the new mafia team, what are the chances that you pick out 2 red ones, with three chances to pick?

Your stat formula is the chance for ANY two players to be mafia together. Truck and Heph, or Dsis and ABC. It doesn't take into account specific players and doesn't account for the "pool" from the previous game.

The two games are independent. It's only roles within the game that are dependent.

Player A had 4/13 odds of being mafia last round and 3/13 odds this round. Player B had 3/12 odds last time with 2/12 this time. Repeat for a 4man team this game.



theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

You are REALLY going to have to explain how I am more probable as a treacherous lover. I'd be very interested in how everything that's happened fits with that idea.

Ignoring that,

ABC said he would penalize roleclaimers by random.org. You said he would penalize you for roleclaiming.

Can you explain?

Continue to ignore it, because there is no explanation.

I said the PM stated whether or not I would be penalized. Never did I say I absolutely would be penalized. Care to explain how you forget that since I was vague about it every single time?

So then why'd you get a pm?

Do you realize how cagey you're being right now?

Haven't I gone over this? Oh yeah, I cannot explain what ABC was thinking.



Not to interrupt, but remind me about the odds thing at the end of the game, it is starting to really really really get on my nerves.



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What are the odds of that? :P Honestly I'm done with that discussion, it never was something helpful anyway.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Silver-Tiger said:

Technically speaking, yes, but I can't imagine ABC making Linkz a lover of me when he is scum.

You mean the guy who was saying, "oh yes, that's what I am. I was just pretending to be other things, and said I wasn't a sibling. When I said town might be better off lynching me, I was just lying". You defend his alignment so earnestly...with very little reasoning why.

"I never pretended to be a bomb or vengeful townie, "

"Furthermore, why I tried to make myself look like a bomb or vengeful townie"