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Wonktonodi on 19 May 2011
Silver-Tiger said:
Wonktonodi said:


you're vote put him at L2 what were you expecting it to do?  Also why did it take you more that 7 minutes to unvote him. Since if he was at "L1" when you saw it that would have been before hephs unvote. Yet your unvote was 7 minutes later?

For the first question, I refer you back to the quote above yours.

As for the time, do you expect me to check the thread every minute? I can't be online the whole time, I have a social life, you know.

Those answer are not satisfactory.

I do not expect you to read the thread every minute. But I expect someone who is concerned about someone at L1 to unvote quickly. You didn't do it quickly, yes things in real life can happen but if that were the case why not just unvote first. Then right an exlination?



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Linkzmax on 19 May 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:

Vote Linkzmax

I believe you are lying about not reading your role PM,  I believe you did read it, saw that you were scum and said that you didnt read it so there couldnt be possible links to your scum buddies through the firrst day posts.  I believe you fabricated the second PM as well, since there was no reason for you to get a second PM, as you hadnt made any roleclaims of any sort.

Well you're wrong about both, because I have still yet to read my role PM. I did receive a second PM, which I believe ABC sent because with all of the votes he may have thought I would roleclaim. I've received two more that's just been chatting with ABC basically, but I bet you aren't going to believe that either.

1) I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Either I'm really stupid and I'm missing something, or this is a slip up. How would someone roleclaim without reading his role PM ? And why would a mod decide to butt into the game to stop someone from role-claiming, when the repercussions of doing so are given in one of the first posts in this thread. This is really fishy, and I think more than justifies the fact that you're very close to being lynched right now.

Linkzmax said:

Bigass post where Linkz nameclaimed, hinted at being a bomb and voted vetteman.

2) Ahhh...hinting at being a bomb. Sheer mafia desperation or the truth...or both (o_o) ? I find it a little hard to believe its desperation that you thought was necesarry, since you were stuck at L-2 for a very long time...and it didn't look as if you were gonna be lynched at the time (but maybe you finally got sick of all the pressure) . But, I'd like to point out that you were at L-1 once (when you hadn't read your PM). If you were hammered at the time, and is pro-town, and is telling the truth, you would've taken someone with you..and possibly a townie too. I hope you see that what you did by not reading your PM was wrong. But the previous quote I made about you still bothers me. I think there is a good chance that you are lying, and you seem to be the least likely to be a mislynch out of those who I think are possible lynch targets right now.

1) I've already addressed all of this. Have you read the entire thread, or are you guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of doing.(not saying there isn't some justification behind those accusations)

2) There are several roles that match what I am hinting at and bomb just happens to be one of them. If people didn't overreact to me not reading my PM then I wouldn't have been so close to being lynched, but yes I have learned my lesson and will always read my PM in the future.(Or just stay mum about not reading it. jk X-P) 



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TruckOSaurus on 19 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

Nothing's changed since I read my PM. I do not know ST's alignment, but his whole behavior towards me leads me to think he is the most probable town, besides myself and Wonk. His not wanting to say more because it would give scum information also makes sense to me. If he and I are both alive tomorrow I'm certain I could get a definitie enough read that I wouldn't be further swayed.(By behavior, not a day/night action)


you just rulled out Massons and siblings (town).... so that means there is really no reason for ST to "hint" anything about you as we did not have a night and therefore he doesn't have priviledged information (the only town roles that could are the ones you just dismissed).

The only way I could see Linkz's comments and Silver-Tiger's hint being true at the same time is if Linkz is either Masson fearing a Mafia spy or a sibling thinking his other half doesn't have the same alignment as he does.

Any other way, I'd say one of them is lying for sure.



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Wonktonodi on 19 May 2011
Silver-Tiger said:
Wonktonodi said:
Silver-Tiger said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I'm afraid I'd have much new to bring up about Silver-Tiger. Yes his vote came at a moment where it could be considered bandwagoning but the most interesting thing I got from what I reread is that his unvote could easily read like him telling his teammate to please drop the act and say he read his PM.

I'd would advise him to finally read your PM, before things get dirty, I don't want that we loose a possible townie because he because of such a needless discussion.

Not much I know but I'm tired and that's all I've got right now.

I imagine people are trying to use this against me, so I will address this as soon as possible.

Yes, this was a hint goddammit, but not because either he or me is scum. I really don't like going into detail.


This raises even more questions. I'll ask some now and hope to get some answers when you return.

Why were you hinting?

Why point out that it wasn't because you were scum while not saying more about what it was?

Do you know something that would be better revealed before linkz gets lynched that might stop it?

 

1.) Because of the whole PM disaster he were in danger of a lynch, sadly he still is. For the record, this was not the only hint.  I could the other hints, but that would take a moment. Maybe I'll post them later.

2.) Because ginving out moe information about is only going to help scum.

3.) Not now, I would hate to give out more information becaus eit would seriously help scum.

 

In adition to not being satisfactiory these don't at all explain why you voted for linkz when your vote put him at L2 if you were afraid of him being lynched why put him so close?

Also you have been "hintittng" or saying you were hinting so much that you have given the scum team pleanty of info. They know who they are so they can focus on players like you who seem to know so much about linkz when there hasn't been a night yet. While the whole town won't even be sure if you are town or scum.



Linkzmax on 19 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

Nothing's changed since I read my PM. I do not know ST's alignment, but his whole behavior towards me leads me to think he is the most probable town, besides myself and Wonk. His not wanting to say more because it would give scum information also makes sense to me. If he and I are both alive tomorrow I'm certain I could get a definitie enough read that I wouldn't be further swayed.(By behavior, not a day/night action)

you just rulled out Massons and siblings (town).... so that means there is really no reason for ST to "hint" anything about you as we did not have a night and therefore he doesn't have priviledged information (the only town roles that could are the ones you just dismissed).

You're right about the first part. I am neither a mason nor a sibling, but he could be for all I know. You're wrong about the last part, but I can't know what he is to say so for certain. It's because his vote/unvote and defending of me were so horrible that I believe he's town. There's no reason for scum that knows I'm town and a good(for all they knew at the start of the game) mislynch to try to keep me from the gallows.



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GodOfWar_3ever on 19 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:

Vote Linkzmax

I believe you are lying about not reading your role PM,  I believe you did read it, saw that you were scum and said that you didnt read it so there couldnt be possible links to your scum buddies through the firrst day posts.  I believe you fabricated the second PM as well, since there was no reason for you to get a second PM, as you hadnt made any roleclaims of any sort.

Well you're wrong about both, because I have still yet to read my role PM. I did receive a second PM, which I believe ABC sent because with all of the votes he may have thought I would roleclaim. I've received two more that's just been chatting with ABC basically, but I bet you aren't going to believe that either.

1) I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Either I'm really stupid and I'm missing something, or this is a slip up. How would someone roleclaim without reading his role PM ? And why would a mod decide to butt into the game to stop someone from role-claiming, when the repercussions of doing so are given in one of the first posts in this thread. This is really fishy, and I think more than justifies the fact that you're very close to being lynched right now.

Linkzmax said:

Bigass post where Linkz nameclaimed, hinted at being a bomb and voted vetteman.

2) Ahhh...hinting at being a bomb. Sheer mafia desperation or the truth...or both (o_o) ? I find it a little hard to believe its desperation that you thought was necesarry, since you were stuck at L-2 for a very long time...and it didn't look as if you were gonna be lynched at the time (but maybe you finally got sick of all the pressure) . But, I'd like to point out that you were at L-1 once (when you hadn't read your PM). If you were hammered at the time, and is pro-town, and is telling the truth, you would've taken someone with you..and possibly a townie too. I hope you see that what you did by not reading your PM was wrong. But the previous quote I made about you still bothers me. I think there is a good chance that you are lying, and you seem to be the least likely to be a mislynch out of those who I think are possible lynch targets right now.

1) I've already addressed all of this. Have you read the entire thread, or are you guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of doing.(not saying there isn't some justification behind those accusations)

2) There are several roles that match what I am hinting at and bomb just happens to be one of them. If people didn't overreact to me not reading my PM then I wouldn't have been so close to being lynched, but yes I have learned my lesson and will always read my PM in the future.(Or just stay mum about not reading it. jk X-P) 

1) I was quoting posts that I thought were interesting, and I've read how you "think" ABC PM'd because he thought you were gonna roleclaim based on the time stamps of your "I'm gonna roleclaim post" and the supposed 2nd PM you received. I simply said the mod shouldn't have done that, even if its true. I've also said, later on in the same post that you might actually be telling the truth because ABC has been posting a lot of things in the thread too, and clarifying things, which has made vetteman very happy :P

2) I don't know what to think anymore. But as time goes on, I feel badder about keeping my vote on you. Maybe its another time that I'd keep my vote on you because I've convinced myself that you're anti-town. Those have led to mislynches before, as I've said in the previous post. We should've lynched you instead of dancing around the bushes like assholes.

Ugh... Unvote

Now someone give me your opinions on Silver-Tiger/Notstan



GodOfWar_3ever on 19 May 2011

Motherfucking post got lost.

I think we should lynch either Silver-Tiger or Notstan today. Otherwise we'd simply be sitting ducks. What does everyone else think of these possible lynch candidates ?



TruckOSaurus on 19 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

You're right about the first part. I am neither a mason nor a sibling, but he could be for all I know. You're wrong about the last part, but I can't know what he is to say so for certain. It's because his vote/unvote and defending of me were so horrible that I believe he's town. There's no reason for scum that knows I'm town and a good(for all they knew at the start of the game) mislynch to try to keep me from the gallows.

How can he be so certain about you if you guys aren't linked?



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Linkzmax on 19 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:

Wonktonodi said:

Didn't know bomb could only be a pro town role. So that does make it much much less likely. Even with all the abominations we have seen in these games I'm pretty sure you are right.

I explained to you that bomb is pro-town last round. It's funny to me that you think a pro-town player is very unlikely to have a pro-town role though.


I don't recall the bomb talk last round and as I said I didn't know it was only a pro town role. In the wiki at least.

I don't think you are pro town. As when I was speculating you being a mafia bomb I think it is possible you are scum. Although even if not scum I don't think you are pro town by putting your amusement of not reading your role PM until night over what would be best for the town.

It was right after you whined of SKs and Super Saints and all sorts of roles that would get you killed.

Big surprise, you never do and you're usually wrong. I'm starting to think prof's approach with you is the right one, but at least I don't have to worry about you helping mislynch me with a vote here.



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Linkzmax on 19 May 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Motherfucking post got lost.

I think we should lynch either Silver-Tiger or Notstan today. Otherwise we'd simply be sitting ducks. What does everyone else think of these possible lynch candidates ?

Thank you for the unvote. If your town, I'm pretty sure you'll see soon enough that it was the right move. ST is town to me, so NotStan(or Wildvine, but nobody else seems to share my suspicions) would be my choice.



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