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Wonktonodi said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

vette and trucks and heph and stefl and wonk, can I please get your opinions on my suspects via the potals? You're all online and I'd really like to get this day over with.

DO we lynch linkz, or is there a better option? If there is a better option, would you consider notstan or ST?


I think linkz needs to go.

To expand on this a bit. I am thinking it's either him or no lynch today. To get the lynch onto someone else at this point wouldn't give as much info because I could another lynch happening as a fast bandwagon from day fatigue that won't give as much info.

You'd be wrong about that. Trying to get a second lynch candidate up in votes would offer a ton of information, even if it doesn't succeed and I get hammered. I think the only person I'd vote for that others are mentioning as suspicious to them is NotStan, but as I already said with my unvote: I can't push for his lynch without incurring a self-preservation vote from him and that goes against keeping myself alive.



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Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

Now there's something very different from the youma game here... I'm not picking appart PM talk, i'm not volunteering information from my PM, I'm reacting to something that was said and that by all the elements I had was wrong. Others talked about their PM and what was on it, I reacted to it. Heck last game if someone said they were homoculis, would you have said "oh it's info from their PM that they volunteered, so we shouldn't use it"?

(and you were there for the youma incident, I refused to name claim till deep in day 2 when it became ridiculous... then once I bent to the presure of 2 powered townies faking to be 'named' vanilla... the game got broken. It's not countering the initial claims that broke the game (that actually saved you from a wrongfull lynch), it was forcing to reveal actual PM information. Here all that has been done is countering the initial claim, put forward into play unrequested.)

You were volunteering information from your PM by reacting to it and calling it a slip. Heck, in the end I checked and came to the same conclusion. The problem is it induces everyone into looking and then you have people picking sides. Someone claiming homunculus last round is different as that's akin to nameclaiming. Role/Name/Abilitycliaming and paraphrasing flavor are all part of Mafia. Dissecting the presense or absense of alignment or win condition crosses the line. Had you brought up the post from the signup thread instead, I wouldn't be saying any of this.

Yes, the youma incident was worse and was likely not going to be repeated here. It's in the rules every time that quoting a PM is forbidden.



Hephaestos said:
Linkzmax said:

1) Anyone that's observant in Mafia should know who I mean, and as I said it's not the end of the world if it goes misunderstood. The player is likely to mess up on their own in my opinion.

2) So then when I flip town and if there was no vig(or he didn't listen) you'll do what should be done today anyway and get him lynched?


it goes without saying but i'm finding #2 to be in need of a rethinking :p

Indeed. I will still flip town, but I'm no longer saying Vette should be lynched, in fact he probably should never be lynched. If there is a Vig he should avoid shooting Vette as well.



Stefl1504 said:

Oh and I think linkz has become to hot for scum... at least a little...

What do you mean too hot for scum?



TruckOSaurus said:
Wonktonodi said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

I've also been noting that. I remember last time his alignment was called into question and in danger of lynch he repeatedly urged that he wasn't, saying, this is a big mistake. I WILL flip town, this will be a devastating loss, etc etc. I've only see him do it here a couple times now, and even stranger I have noticed him theorizing his alignment also in several posts. I want to lynch him but I can't help feel that he's a bomb now, thanks to wonk.

He's not a bomb.

How do you know? Care to show your confidence by being the hammer vote?

Because a townie bomb would have of course warned us by now (unless he's really vengeful but I doubt that's Linkz's case) and a Mafia Bomb is an abomination that defeats the whole point of the game (we're supposed to be rewarded for finding scum not punished).

I'll gladly go ahead with the hammer if he gets back to L-1 and someone is too scared to go ahead with it but right now I feel my unvote would hurt the cause.

I'm not claiming nor denying the role(Neither in fact, though other options exist as well), but I am curious. How does one go about being a bomb and warning town, while still trying to not become avoided by a scum kill and thus always the lingering question mark and likely cause for a town loss?



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TruckOSaurus said:
Wonktonodi said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

I've also been noting that. I remember last time his alignment was called into question and in danger of lynch he repeatedly urged that he wasn't, saying, this is a big mistake. I WILL flip town, this will be a devastating loss, etc etc. I've only see him do it here a couple times now, and even stranger I have noticed him theorizing his alignment also in several posts. I want to lynch him but I can't help feel that he's a bomb now, thanks to wonk.

He's not a bomb.

How do you know? Care to show your confidence by being the hammer vote?

Because a townie bomb would have of course warned us by now (unless he's really vengeful but I doubt that's Linkz's case) and a Mafia Bomb is an abomination that defeats the whole point of the game (we're supposed to be rewarded for finding scum not punished).

I'll gladly go ahead with the hammer if he gets back to L-1 and someone is too scared to go ahead with it but right now I feel my unvote would hurt the cause.


Didn't know bomb could only be a pro town role. So that does make it much much less likely. Even with all the abominations we have seen in these games I'm pretty sure you are right.



theprof00 said:

vette and trucks and heph and stefl and wonk, can I please get your opinions on my suspects via the potals? You're all online and I'd really like to get this day over with.

DO we lynch linkz, or is there a better option? If there is a better option, would you consider notstan or ST?


As promised, here's my summary on NotStan (Silver-Tiger will be next)

NotStan is still in my scum list, in part because of his "odds talk" but also because he jumped the gun on the whole prof and stefl could be scum teammates thing. It was the start of the game, few people were online, there was a conversation going between you and stefl but NotStan reacted like someone had accused you guys of being a team.

After Linkz declared he wouldn't read his PM, NotStan FoSed Linkz for it but in the next post he says he doesn't know why someone would avoid reading his PM showing his FoS was some kind of bandwagoning, that he didn't believe in it.

Afterwards, he kinda dropped off the map, saying very little of interest.



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Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Because a townie bomb would have of course warned us by now (unless he's really vengeful but I doubt that's Linkz's case) and a Mafia Bomb is an abomination that defeats the whole point of the game (we're supposed to be rewarded for finding scum not punished).

I'll gladly go ahead with the hammer if he gets back to L-1 and someone is too scared to go ahead with it but right now I feel my unvote would hurt the cause.

I'm not claiming nor denying the role(Neither in fact, though other options exist as well), but I am curious. How does one go about being a bomb and warning town, while still trying to not become avoided by a scum kill and thus always the lingering question mark and likely cause for a town loss?

Well you can't have it all, sure scum will avoid killing you (you could always get lucky and they'll test it out because they don't believe you or think you're something else). As for being a question mark, you could still get investigated down the line if suspicion lingers.



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I'm afraid I'd have much new to bring up about Silver-Tiger. Yes his vote came at a moment where it could be considered bandwagoning but the most interesting thing I got from what I reread is that his unvote could easily read like him telling his teammate to please drop the act and say he read his PM.

I'd would advise him to finally read your PM, before things get dirty, I don't want that we loose a possible townie because he because of such a needless discussion.

Not much I know but I'm tired and that's all I've got right now.



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TruckOSaurus said:

I'm afraid I'd have much new to bring up about Silver-Tiger. Yes his vote came at a moment where it could be considered bandwagoning but the most interesting thing I got from what I reread is that his unvote could easily read like him telling his teammate to please drop the act and say he read his PM.

I'd would advise him to finally read your PM, before things get dirty, I don't want that we loose a possible townie because he because of such a needless discussion.

Not much I know but I'm tired and that's all I've got right now.

I thought so too.