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Baalzamon on 18 May 2011
Votes to Lynch: Player Name: L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2
L-2 Linkz Truck Wildvine Heph Vette GodofWar
L-6 Zarx Stefl - - - -
L-4 No Lynch NotStan Final-Fan SilverTiger
 - -
L-6 Vette Linkz - - - -
L-6
 SilverTiger
 Prof
 -
 -
 -
 -

With 12 voters, 7 votes will result in a lynch.

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Unvotes:

Truck: Prof

NotStan: Prof, Linkz, Prof

GodofWar: Stefl

Wildvine: Final-Fan

Wonk: Linkz, Final-Fan; Votes against Wonk are no longer valid

SilverTiger: GodofWar

Linkz: Heph, SilverTiger, Prof, Prof

Stefl: SilverTiger

 

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L-2; Linkz: Heph, Truck, Wildvine, Prof, SilverTiger, (((Wonk))) (Not an official vote), Heph, Vette, GodofWar, Prof

L-7; NotStan: Prof, Prof, Linkz

L-4; No Lynch: NotStan, Final-Fan, SilverTiger

L-6; Zarx: Stefl

L-6; Vette: Linkz

L-6; SilverTiger: GodofWar, Prof

L-7; Stefl: SilverTiger

L-7; Truck: Prof

L-7; GodofWar: Stefl

L-7; Wonk (invincible): Linkz, Final-Fan

L-7; Wildvine: Final-Fan

With 12 voters, 7 votes will result in a lynch.

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Voting History

Stefl: Godofwar->Unvote->Zarx

NotStan: No Lynch

Linkz: Wonk->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Vette

Final-Fan: Wildvine->Unvote->Wonk->Unvote->No Lynch

Truck: Linkz

Vette: Linkz

Heph: Linkz->Unvote->Linkz

Wonk: Cannot Vote; Unofficial Votes: Linkz->Unvote

Silver-Tiger: Linkz->Unvote->Stefl->Unvote->No Lynch

Zarx: N/A

GodofWar: SilverTiger->Unvote->Linkz

Wildvine: Linkz

Prof: Truck->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->NotStan->Unvote->Linkz->Unvote->SilverTiger



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Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
theprof00 said:

vette and trucks and heph and stefl and wonk, can I please get your opinions on my suspects via the potals? You're all online and I'd really like to get this day over with.

DO we lynch linkz, or is there a better option? If there is a better option, would you consider notstan or ST?


linkz.

both others are viable... for a day one, but i'm not convinced for other days.



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Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Final-Fan said:

If I think Linkz is probably town, would it be wrong to lynch him on the strength of his own comments that it might be for the best? 

you made clear you prefered no lynch.... unravelling a grid lock is ok.



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Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
A Bad Clown said:

To reinterate

 

-I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-

I quickly browsed ahead to see reaction... they seem to be mixed.

In my opinion, although this can be read as a confirmation of some players,  you are only correcting an erroneous statement that you made earlier. I probably would have done the same thing... but it is highly understandable that scum would be pissed at this.

I'm sending you a PM, don't comment on it in the game thread.

It was not an erroneous statement earlier. As I pointed out before this clarification, "If I did not denote your side, you are town. All non-towns I labebled in their pms." does not translate to "All town did not have their side denoted."

If both you and Vette are town you can expect at least one "I told you so" from me about the metagaming on PMs. I still doubt that you're both town though.

yeah i can see how the initial statement can be read in that way now.

and again, why not use a comment volunteered by someone when you know it's wrong (or think you know).



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Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Stefl1504 said:

Okay prof... after reading throw your postals, nothing has quite changed it just increased the rate I distrust ST a little more... I think that everyone under 25 posts should try to post a little more and 10 is just too little so GoW should post a lot more...

I'm considering Zarx, ST and NotStan scum right now if I had to rank all players in order in which to lynch... hummm I rather make a graph... the lowest level is the lowest suspicion:

/7 Zarx
/6 Silver-Tiger, Notstan
/5 -
/4 GodofWar, Prof, Final-Fan, Heph
/3 Wildvine, Vetteman, TruckoSaurus
/2 Linkzmax
/1 Stefl1504, Stumpi

though Zark could also be on the sixth level... and notstan on the fifth... so they are more like halfleveld

so if I have to tell you who I like to lynch most of of your list i would go for either SilverTiger or Notstan


interesting

Votes to Lynch: Player Name: L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2
L-2 Linkz Truck Wildvine Heph Vette GodofWar
L-6 Zarx Stefl - - - -
L-4 No Lynch NotStan Final-Fan SilverTiger
 - -
L-6 Vette Linkz - - - -
L-6
 SilverTiger
 Prof
 -
 -
 -
 -

Stefl, why do you think Linkz is town so much? I mean look if he's town he has been at L-1 more than once... yet all 3 of your most wanted are not voting on him, not hammering him. That's a severe contradition in your judgement.

Linkz your most trusted townie (/2 so really unless he was mod confirmed, you couldn't trust him more)

Zarx, ST, NotStan your scums (you even made a gap in /5 and even if you say .5 gap it's still a 5.5)



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theprof00 on 18 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Stefl1504 said:

Okay prof... after reading throw your postals, nothing has quite changed it just increased the rate I distrust ST a little more... I think that everyone under 25 posts should try to post a little more and 10 is just too little so GoW should post a lot more...

I'm considering Zarx, ST and NotStan scum right now if I had to rank all players in order in which to lynch... hummm I rather make a graph... the lowest level is the lowest suspicion:

/7 Zarx
/6 Silver-Tiger, Notstan
/5 -
/4 GodofWar, Prof, Final-Fan, Heph
/3 Wildvine, Vetteman, TruckoSaurus
/2 Linkzmax
/1 Stefl1504, Stumpi

though Zark could also be on the sixth level... and notstan on the fifth... so they are more like halfleveld

so if I have to tell you who I like to lynch most of of your list i would go for either SilverTiger or Notstan


interesting

Votes to Lynch: Player Name: L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2
L-2 Linkz Truck Wildvine Heph Vette GodofWar
L-6 Zarx Stefl - - - -
L-4 No Lynch NotStan Final-Fan SilverTiger
 - -
L-6 Vette Linkz - - - -
L-6
 SilverTiger
 Prof
 -
 -
 -
 -

Stefl, why do you think Linkz is town so much? I mean look if he's town he has been at L-1 more than once... yet all 3 of your most wanted are not voting on him, not hammering him. That's a severe contradition in your judgement.

Linkz your most trusted townie (/2 so really unless he was mod confirmed, you couldn't trust him more)

Zarx, ST, NotStan your scums (you even made a gap in /5 and even if you say .5 gap it's still a 5.5)

not to mention that two of them were on his train at one point and are now suddenly no lynch.



theprof00 on 18 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

vette and trucks and heph and stefl and wonk, can I please get your opinions on my suspects via the potals? You're all online and I'd really like to get this day over with.

DO we lynch linkz, or is there a better option? If there is a better option, would you consider notstan or ST?


linkz.

both others are viable... for a day one, but i'm not convinced for other days.

what do you mean by that?



Stefl1504 on 18 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Stefl1504 said:

Okay prof... after reading throw your postals, nothing has quite changed it just increased the rate I distrust ST a little more... I think that everyone under 25 posts should try to post a little more and 10 is just too little so GoW should post a lot more...

I'm considering Zarx, ST and NotStan scum right now if I had to rank all players in order in which to lynch... hummm I rather make a graph... the lowest level is the lowest suspicion:

/7 Zarx
/6 Silver-Tiger, Notstan
/5 -
/4 GodofWar, Prof, Final-Fan, Heph
/3 Wildvine, Vetteman, TruckoSaurus
/2 Linkzmax
/1 Stefl1504, Stumpi

though Zark could also be on the sixth level... and notstan on the fifth... so they are more like halfleveld

so if I have to tell you who I like to lynch most of of your list i would go for either SilverTiger or Notstan


interesting

Votes to Lynch: Player Name: L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2
L-2 Linkz Truck Wildvine Heph Vette GodofWar
L-6 Zarx Stefl - - - -
L-4 No Lynch NotStan Final-Fan SilverTiger
 - -
L-6 Vette Linkz - - - -
L-6
 SilverTiger
 Prof
 -
 -
 -
 -

Stefl, why do you think Linkz is town so much? I mean look if he's town he has been at L-1 more than once... yet all 3 of your most wanted are not voting on him, not hammering him. That's a severe contradition in your judgement.

Linkz your most trusted townie (/2 so really unless he was mod confirmed, you couldn't trust him more)

Zarx, ST, NotStan your scums (you even made a gap in /5 and even if you say .5 gap it's still a 5.5)

This is by no means a trust-o-meter, its just a list of suspicion... I can make a trust-o-meter, where people like linkz, prof and vette would have a value near zero, while people like NotStan would have a lot of general trust. Also the trust list carries over from game to game, and often decreases with greater skill of the player.

Well... okay I have to admit that what you pointed out is very strange - but I think that if ST is scum, Zarx is scum... I don't know what really I should think of zarx but all I can think of makes me think he is scum... NotStan is on the list on /6 because he already got my FoS, and no /2 would be something like "he has suspicion cast upon him", you have to know that /3 are people I generally do not trust in any way - so everyone starts at /1 and gets to higher levels, without losing one - ever - in this list, except he gets confirmed through mod, death, a confirmed role which was confirmed by a confirmed role,...

Linkz is so low on my list because I don't think hes scum, he just messed up, I think its lynchworthy - but I consider him town - so I am not going to influence much there - i will not vote for a no lynch neither will i vote to lynch linkz. Oh and I pretty much see him confirmed through death.

A list of people I finally Vote for is a combination of trust, suspicion and several other things, while trust gets canceled out easily by suspicion, other things don't affect trust so easily - its the final value (i don't have a formula to get it, its just a mix of diverse thoughts that give it back) that counts.



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Stefl1504 on 18 May 2011

Oh and I think linkz has become to hot for scum... at least a little...



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TruckOSaurus on 18 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:

I've also been noting that. I remember last time his alignment was called into question and in danger of lynch he repeatedly urged that he wasn't, saying, this is a big mistake. I WILL flip town, this will be a devastating loss, etc etc. I've only see him do it here a couple times now, and even stranger I have noticed him theorizing his alignment also in several posts. I want to lynch him but I can't help feel that he's a bomb now, thanks to wonk.

He's not a bomb.

How do you know? Care to show your confidence by being the hammer vote?

Because a townie bomb would have of course warned us by now (unless he's really vengeful but I doubt that's Linkz's case) and a Mafia Bomb is an abomination that defeats the whole point of the game (we're supposed to be rewarded for finding scum not punished).

I'll gladly go ahead with the hammer if he gets back to L-1 and someone is too scared to go ahead with it but right now I feel my unvote would hurt the cause.



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