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Linkzmax on 18 May 2011
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:

WHen I have town roles, my pm says I win with town.

I wasn't talking about my pm this game.

My pm says I win with town.

I dunno vette, sounds pretty fishy..

My PM doesnt say that I win with the town,  my PM does say what side I am on since its part of the role

Nearly missed this. Why didn't you respond to Heph's question? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4056183 

This post is a direct contradiction to "all my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins"



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Linkzmax on 18 May 2011
A Bad Clown said:
Linkzmax said:

Hephaestos said:

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)

Hopefully ABC will finally say something on the matter, but usually a tree stump doesn't count as alive/in the player pool once claimed. The most recent votals would seem to indicate this as it says with 12 voters it takes 7 to lynch. So if there were Wonk, a vig, another townie, and 3 mafia(since 3rd party are scum too and could cross-vote with mafia) there should only be 5 voters and 3 to lynch. Thus mafia would win.


To answer this question:

I made sure there are enough chances for town to have a majority lynch, I will not say how many days though this will be true for.

That doesn't answer the question. The worry isn't about the number of chances town has. It's whether Wonk counts as part of the town even if he doesn't have a vote. To simplify the example, if there is 1 mafia, 1 pro-town vig, and Wonk does mafia win because they make up 50%(Wonk does not count) or will a no lynch occur since neither will vote themselves and Wonk can't vote, killing roles take each other out, and town wins because Wonk is left?

I explained Heph's example wrong, but I was under the assumption Wonk would not count.



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A Bad Clown on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:
Linkzmax said:

Hephaestos said:

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)

Hopefully ABC will finally say something on the matter, but usually a tree stump doesn't count as alive/in the player pool once claimed. The most recent votals would seem to indicate this as it says with 12 voters it takes 7 to lynch. So if there were Wonk, a vig, another townie, and 3 mafia(since 3rd party are scum too and could cross-vote with mafia) there should only be 5 voters and 3 to lynch. Thus mafia would win.


To answer this question:

I made sure there are enough chances for town to have a majority lynch, I will not say how many days though this will be true for.

That doesn't answer the question. The worry isn't about the number of chances town has. It's whether Wonk counts as part of the town even if he doesn't have a vote. To simplify the example, if there is 1 mafia, 1 pro-town vig, and Wonk does mafia win because they make up 50%(Wonk does not count) or will a no lynch occur since neither will vote themselves and Wonk can't vote, killing roles take each other out, and town wins because Wonk is left?

I explained Heph's example wrong, but I was under the assumption Wonk would not count.

Wonk is still part of town, he just can't vote. Yes, the mafia would win if it was 1 mafia vs 1 town vs 1 3rd party or Vig, being as town and mafia are equal in voting.



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Linkzmax on 18 May 2011
A Bad Clown said:

To reinterate

 

-I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-

This isn't a reiteration, it's exactly what you are not supposed to do as a mod. I'm grateful because I think you've prevented what would have been a mislynch, but mods are supposed to let things play out and then either say it was intentional/admit mistakes after the game.

If Vette is scum you've pretty much cleared him and screwed town. If Vette is town you've pretty much screwed scum out of a mislynch.

@Everyone: I do not care if this is going to look like I'm bitter because it makes Vette look more town. I was already expecting to die first and if I was going to flip scum then everything I've said about Vette boils down to WIFOM anyway. This is trying to prevent a similar mistake from happening again this round or in future rounds.



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A Bad Clown on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

To reinterate

 

-I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-

This isn't a reiteration, it's exactly what you are not supposed to do as a mod. I'm grateful because I think you've prevented what would have been a mislynch, but mods are supposed to let things play out and then either say it was intentional/admit mistakes after the game.

If Vette is scum you've pretty much cleared him and screwed town. If Vette is town you've pretty much screwed scum out of a mislynch.

@Everyone: I do not care if this is going to look like I'm bitter because it makes Vette look more town. I was already expecting to die first and if I was going to flip scum then everything I've said about Vette boils down to WIFOM anyway. This is trying to prevent a similar mistake from happening again this round or in future rounds.

I wanted to stop the conversation between pms so players wouldn't have to copy/paste pms and get kicked out and I would get yelled at end game for the alignments.



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Linkzmax on 18 May 2011
A Bad Clown said:

Wonk is still part of town, he just can't vote. Yes, the mafia would win if it was 1 mafia vs 1 town vs 1 3rd party or Vig, being as town and mafia are equal in voting.

Thank you. Clarification on a mod-confirmed role does not fall under my prior criticism on your modding. Also I did not want to imply your a bad mod, so please don't take it that way. I may judge balance when it's over, but the flavor is pretty cool even though I'm not familiar with the theme and most everyone seems excited to play so pluses in my book.



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TruckOSaurus on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

To reinterate

 

-I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-

This isn't a reiteration, it's exactly what you are not supposed to do as a mod. I'm grateful because I think you've prevented what would have been a mislynch, but mods are supposed to let things play out and then either say it was intentional/admit mistakes after the game.

If Vette is scum you've pretty much cleared him and screwed town. If Vette is town you've pretty much screwed scum out of a mislynch.

@Everyone: I do not care if this is going to look like I'm bitter because it makes Vette look more town. I was already expecting to die first and if I was going to flip scum then everything I've said about Vette boils down to WIFOM anyway. This is trying to prevent a similar mistake from happening again this round or in future rounds.

Did you just admit to being scum?



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Vetteman94 on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:

WHen I have town roles, my pm says I win with town.

I wasn't talking about my pm this game.

My pm says I win with town.

I dunno vette, sounds pretty fishy..

My PM doesnt say that I win with the town,  my PM does say what side I am on since its part of the role

Nearly missed this. Why didn't you respond to Heph's question? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4056183 

This post is a direct contradiction to "all my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins"

When I wrote that I was not referring to my current PM, I was only referring to my past PMs.  

When the subject of whether or not that I was specifically told my alignment in my role, I said that my PM does state this as it specifies it in the role.  Its 2 separate situations.  

No one asked me to clarify it,  they just assumed that I was refering to my current one as well as my old ones when I first made mention of the "I win when the Town Wins" part.  But that wasnt the case.   Do I understand how it could be confusing?  Yes I do, but it could have easily been cleared up with a simple question.  



Linkzmax on 18 May 2011

TOS, you're either being sarcastic or your reading comprehension sucks. I'm town, but I still don't want an outside advantage given.



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Vetteman94 on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
A Bad Clown said:

To reinterate

 

-I TOLD THE PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT TOWN THAT THEY ARE NOT TOWN IN THEIR PMs. IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AN ALIGNMENT IN YOUR PM OR IF I TOLD YOU YOU WERE PROTOWN, YOU ARE PRO-TOWN.-

This isn't a reiteration, it's exactly what you are not supposed to do as a mod. I'm grateful because I think you've prevented what would have been a mislynch, but mods are supposed to let things play out and then either say it was intentional/admit mistakes after the game.

If Vette is scum you've pretty much cleared him and screwed town. If Vette is town you've pretty much screwed scum out of a mislynch.

@Everyone: I do not care if this is going to look like I'm bitter because it makes Vette look more town. I was already expecting to die first and if I was going to flip scum then everything I've said about Vette boils down to WIFOM anyway. This is trying to prevent a similar mistake from happening again this round or in future rounds.

I agree Mods should not be posting this information in the game,  mods who are too hands on with their own games can ruin the game for the players