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Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Hephaestos said:

wait so now you read your PM?


ah! answer here:

"Decision made, in the end curiosity over knowing I picked out scum today got the better of me. I am Bernie Crane. There is no flavor about my name. I'm not going to roleclaim, but there's a good chance that even if I'm lynched it will benefit town."

 

it didn't appear so in the other posts though.

 

anyways http://gta.wikia.com/Bernie_Crane



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Stefl1504 on 18 May 2011
Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:
Final-Fan said:
Wildvine53 said:
Hephaestos said:
Vetteman94 said:

I think that just theprof being vague,  all my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins, its probably him reciting his PM and adding a little extra too it to cause a stir. I cant think of a third party that would fall into that situation, third party kinda implies that he has his own win scenario like a cult or a SK.

Nice slip here.

so are you saying that your current pro-town PM says this? cause you did say all and the freshest one (the one that should be similar to prof's as you say) must be the one from this current game.

umh I'm really considering changing my vote right there... will see once I've caught up to the thread.

What slip? He said "all my PMs when I have pro-town roles" he never implied the PM for this round.

lol, and you don't think it would be a slip up if he implied his PM was for a not-pro-town role?  

Why are people making such a big deal about that post please explain?

I am personally not prepared to make a case against someone based on a presumption of how the mod would word someone else's PM (not everyone uses the same template for all roles), and additionally this is skating on thin ice as far as what is kosher metagaming IMO. 

But to break it down for you, Heph is figuring that if you say your PM says "you win when the town wins" then you're lying scum ... or something similar to that. 

Wildvine didn't see that, and I told him.  That's all. 

After rereading my PM after that whole discussion, I do understand why some people think Vettemans claim is a slip up - but if I hadn't reread it I would not even notice...



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Silver-Tiger on 18 May 2011
theprof00 said:

@ST

I'm glad you brought up "I win with town, if that makes me a townie...etc". Because on page 1, you wrote in response to that very line or discussion, ""being townie may very well be evil". So I have two questions for you ST. How did you forget that that conversation happened? I mean, you just quoted it and said, "I'm surprised nobody has brought this up". The second question is, well, WHY DID YOU SAY THAT BEING A TOWNIE MAY VERY WELL BE EVIL? Do you not even know your own alignment? If it's a misunderstanding, well, I don't know how to respond to that either.

And you also recently semi implied that I was a third party, commenting that SK or cult is not unlikely

However, I'm also suspicious of Vette for understanding that I'm a townie. But, then again I did say that I only have one vote, I win with town, and there's nothing complicated about my role at all. I'm not a townie-SK like Baal implied last round. THere is literally nothing beyond that.

1.)No, I did not forget the conversation. What I meant is that Niko Bellic is scum and Dimitri Rascalov (or whatever his name was) is town. It's a misunderstanding and I'm sorry, I worded that terribly.

2.)Of course I know my alignment, I'm pro-town. I read my PM after all.....

As for the third-party, yes, it's possible that there is a cult or SK. I'm asking you, why not? Does it seem that unlikely that in a GTA-themed game there is a serial killer or a cult? I did not imply that you have on of these roles, I just clarified that these roles my exist in this game.



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Silver-Tiger on 18 May 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

At least you recognize you are being stubborn. I'm trying hard to figure out your motive behind all this. I don't think it's the unknown aspects as you say because if that was really all you were after you would have just kept your mouth shut about it.

I'd say you're either scum who thinks he's in too deep to go back now or you're just fishing for reactions like you did last round with your Prof vote.

As I said a few times, it's more fun for me personally. I already know that as scum I can blend quite well, to the point that claiming I scan guilty was the reason I didn't make end game if not win at all despite having one partner make themselves the scummiest looking player since radish and the other partner disappearing and being modkilled. I've also shown that I have no issues of displaying a connection with a scummate, evidenced by quoting hatmoza linking myself and Gnizmo.

Point is I don't need to do it as an aid if I get unlucky(because I prefer town roles) and land scum, but it doesn't hurt either. Just playing the odds, I'm more likely to role town, and for that I am trying to hide what type of role I have. You say it shouldn't matter because there aren't really tells or they can be hidden, but you(among others) also correctly had me pegged for a power role my second game when I thought I was playing the same.

The reason I was vocal about it is because I wanted scum to know that they cannot read me day one when I'm town. I said it again in thread because there are players this round that very likely wouldn't have read the quicktopic where I said it was my intention. That's also for any of them that could be scum, but also for anyone that is town so that if I'm still around in future days they would understand why there may be a shift in my behavior.

I'm town that's probably in too deep. The reactions are great to gauge people's alignments, but I think it will be up to the other townies to make sense out of it all.

I'm starting to think you could be town but  there's still some points that don't sit well with me.

You say you're clever ever to fit in with the crowd if you land a scum role (I agree with you on this) but right after that you say not reading your PM helps you hide your possible power role and you bring up last game to support this idea because you were spotted as a power role.

That makes no sense since you caught my attention on Day Two because you defended ABC while he was doing his best to make himself look scummy. That was what pointed to you having some kind of information on ABC that explained your leaniency for his behavior.

I don't see how not reading your PM Day One could have changed that situation.


dude, you know that ABC is the mod, right?



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Silver-Tiger on 18 May 2011
Hephaestos said:
Hephaestos said:

wait so now you read your PM?


ah! answer here:

"Decision made, in the end curiosity over knowing I picked out scum today got the better of me. I am Bernie Crane. There is no flavor about my name. I'm not going to roleclaim, but there's a good chance that even if I'm lynched it will benefit town."

 

it didn't appear so in the other posts though.

 

anyways http://gta.wikia.com/Bernie_Crane


Wait, where did you got that information from?



updated: 14.01.2012

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Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

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Stefl1504 on 18 May 2011
Silver-Tiger said:
Hephaestos said:
Hephaestos said:

wait so now you read your PM?


ah! answer here:

"Decision made, in the end curiosity over knowing I picked out scum today got the better of me. I am Bernie Crane. There is no flavor about my name. I'm not going to roleclaim, but there's a good chance that even if I'm lynched it will benefit town."

 

it didn't appear so in the other posts though.

 

anyways http://gta.wikia.com/Bernie_Crane


Wait, where did you got that information from?

i think it was in a huge wall of text that linkz posted



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Stefl1504 on 18 May 2011

To be specific: Linkz said it in this post



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theprof00 on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

[snippped]

Lastly, though I know it's strange...I would advise that a cop, if any, should steer clear of Linkz. If he is not lynched, I think he may be trying to gain a scan, and could be a clean scanning role. (I know he says he hasn't read his role) I think Linkz is too smart to be suspicious, honestly. Either way, I don't think scanning him is a good idea. But, I think he should be lynched anyway, so to save us that whole line of thought:

unvote

vote linkz

I could be way off on that last part, but it doesn't really matter. Just a wild theory.

The snipped was a great read, although all wrong. Still very interesting to see possible connections that I never thought of since I have no scumbuddies to warn.

I would actually agree with you about a cop staying clear of me, but not because I want to be scanned clean as scum or am worried about scanning guilty. I fully realize that if I'm not lynched today then it's going to take some monumental confirmations to not have me be the primary suspect on future days. It's a waste to scan someone that is likely getting lynched anyway. But as for the theory and the follow-up post:

theprof00 said:
Oh, and the reason why I think he's a clean scanning role is because he has not once mentioned that a cop can scan him.

I know that sounds retarded, but from experience I know that people do that.

Saying, " a cop can scan me" is too obvious..

I guess you missed this: "Even if I'm just going to be a question mark unless someone can clear me, I think my experience and possible power would be better put to use until(and if) my lynch can no longer be put off." So such much for that.

I really don't want to be lynched, but I'm curious prof as to why you were so hesitant to revote when you stated strongly multiple times that you wanted me lynched. Why now do you feel you should put your vote where your mouth has been?

because I wanted to review the game and get a better read. I still haven't had time to do potals.



TruckOSaurus on 18 May 2011
Silver-Tiger said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

At least you recognize you are being stubborn. I'm trying hard to figure out your motive behind all this. I don't think it's the unknown aspects as you say because if that was really all you were after you would have just kept your mouth shut about it.

I'd say you're either scum who thinks he's in too deep to go back now or you're just fishing for reactions like you did last round with your Prof vote.

As I said a few times, it's more fun for me personally. I already know that as scum I can blend quite well, to the point that claiming I scan guilty was the reason I didn't make end game if not win at all despite having one partner make themselves the scummiest looking player since radish and the other partner disappearing and being modkilled. I've also shown that I have no issues of displaying a connection with a scummate, evidenced by quoting hatmoza linking myself and Gnizmo.

Point is I don't need to do it as an aid if I get unlucky(because I prefer town roles) and land scum, but it doesn't hurt either. Just playing the odds, I'm more likely to role town, and for that I am trying to hide what type of role I have. You say it shouldn't matter because there aren't really tells or they can be hidden, but you(among others) also correctly had me pegged for a power role my second game when I thought I was playing the same.

The reason I was vocal about it is because I wanted scum to know that they cannot read me day one when I'm town. I said it again in thread because there are players this round that very likely wouldn't have read the quicktopic where I said it was my intention. That's also for any of them that could be scum, but also for anyone that is town so that if I'm still around in future days they would understand why there may be a shift in my behavior.

I'm town that's probably in too deep. The reactions are great to gauge people's alignments, but I think it will be up to the other townies to make sense out of it all.

I'm starting to think you could be town but  there's still some points that don't sit well with me.

You say you're clever ever to fit in with the crowd if you land a scum role (I agree with you on this) but right after that you say not reading your PM helps you hide your possible power role and you bring up last game to support this idea because you were spotted as a power role.

That makes no sense since you caught my attention on Day Two because you defended ABC while he was doing his best to make himself look scummy. That was what pointed to you having some kind of information on ABC that explained your leaniency for his behavior.

I don't see how not reading your PM Day One could have changed that situation.


dude, you know that ABC is the mod, right?

Dude, you do know I was talking about last game right?



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theprof00 on 18 May 2011

unvote linkz

 

just for now. I'll finish potals before I vote again.