By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - VGC Mafia Round 29 -Grand Theft Auto 4 edition!

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
NotStan said:

On one hand I really want Linkz to make a claim, but taking into account the earlier extravaganza I don't see what's stopping him from bullshitting, there is virtually no way to verify his innocence but the guilt may be evident in this case. However I am  not confident enough in his scumminess to push for a lynch, due to the offchance of him actually being town and maybe even a powerful one at that, I'll leave him in my sights for now and won't make an offhand decision on his play style, although I do highly dislike it, please don't do something as shit as this again, and try not to encourage others to do the same in the forseeable future.

I think I'll just watch you for the rest of the game, the likelyhood of you being scum is as high as a townie, However, I am not prepared to make a gamble such as that on day one.

Taking note.

NotStan belives there are powerfull and less powerfull townies.

Why did you feel the need to point this out without saying anything about it?

because i'm pushing for some people's lynches and my survival rate post win isn't great ^^. I believe this was a note of interest on NotStan... Comments on this should come once we know what types of roles are in this game besides the one everyone knows as their own and the tree stump.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Around the Network
Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Silver-Tiger said:

There's a reason why I unvoted Linkz, I can't imagine why he would come up with the PM story if he's scum (I mean that he read the PM and is scum, but pretends he did not read it). he pratically paints a target on himself. I just don't expect such a move from an experienced player like Linkz. He is a hell of an dangerous player for the scum if he's town. That's why I don't want to loose him. Of course he's as dangerous as scum player, but.... something tells me he is pro-town.

(Enlarged text so it would be easier to read)

I'm not sure I really like your trust, but right now I need to take every ally I can get to not be lynched. On a similar note, though I think he's scum, NotStan seems unwilling to vote for me, so for self-preservation I shouldn't be trying to get him lynched or he'll be forced to vote me for his own sake.

Unvote

Two way connection... interesting.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

I never said the second PM gave information on my specific role. It told me whether or not I have an active ability and thus whether or not I would be penalized. There was another bit that let me know I was town, and there's just no way to paraphrase that without saying more than I'm willing to. I'm not reading my role PM because it wouldn't help me any further at this juncture.


1) penalized for what? reading your PM? no one asked you to roleclaim at the time, it seems far fetched that the mod would tell you that you won't/will be penalized when he made a rule about it.

2) sure cause nameclaiming/roleclaiming with both unchallenged by anyone is something you consider useless?

claiming you're Daffy the doc (wordplay!), Scherlock the cop or Stalker the tracker when no one counterclaims you is pretty much a proof in your favor... yet you have been reluctant for long to do this and there is no way not claiming at L-1 can help town, the only reason is that you know you'll likely fail at a believable roleclaim since you're scum and are afraid to lose the game by a double failure, the no reading fiasco and the failed fake claim.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011

theprof00 said:

bla  bla bla vote linkz


good post with nice theories. It probably is a bit too far on the asumption side (well i'm always overshooting when I theorize too much) but it sounds plausible and fit with the character.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

TruckOSaurus on 18 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
TruckOSaurus said:


You've been a bit quiet. Care to share any current thoughts with us?

Well my main focus right is on Linkz and we seem to have conflicting schedules since he's not on when I am and vice versa.

During the day, I follow the thread and make comments when I can manage or when I feel I've got something that needs to be said. Evenings are when I can take my time and analyze more but last night I had a dinner with friends.



Signature goes here!

Around the Network
Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:
Final-Fan said:
Wildvine53 said:
Hephaestos said:
Vetteman94 said:

I think that just theprof being vague,  all my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins, its probably him reciting his PM and adding a little extra too it to cause a stir. I cant think of a third party that would fall into that situation, third party kinda implies that he has his own win scenario like a cult or a SK.

Nice slip here.

so are you saying that your current pro-town PM says this? cause you did say all and the freshest one (the one that should be similar to prof's as you say) must be the one from this current game.

umh I'm really considering changing my vote right there... will see once I've caught up to the thread.

What slip? He said "all my PMs when I have pro-town roles" he never implied the PM for this round.

lol, and you don't think it would be a slip up if he implied his PM was for a not-pro-town role?  

Why are people making such a big deal about that post please explain?

I am personally not prepared to make a case against someone based on a presumption of how the mod would word someone else's PM (not everyone uses the same template for all roles), and additionally this is skating on thin ice as far as what is kosher metagaming IMO. 

But to break it down for you, Heph is figuring that if you say your PM says "you win when the town wins" then you're lying scum ... or something similar to that. 

Wildvine didn't see that, and I told him.  That's all. 

I am. People want to lynch me based on a presumption of how the mod would handle my situation when the roleclaiming rules were written in thread. Meanwhile the mod said this:(in the sign-up thread) "If I did not denote your side, you are town. All non-towns I labebled in their pms." which I would take to indicate town roles didn't explicitly indicate such, and given that I can't see a win condition listed either.

It does border on thin ice as far as metagaming and so I don't really want to venture down that lane. But if I decide it's time for a nameclaim by the time I'm caught up, I'm certainly going to be looking for such. It's pretty clear to me at the moment that Vette, Heph, and/or prof slipped up. I can't imagine it was an elaborate trap set to see if I'd bite one way or the other and actually give my alignment away.


How is this a slip up (on my part) or metagaming?

You point out yourself that the signupthread indicates that aspect of the PM.

Vette makes a post indicating that he has the side written in his PM. (slip)

2 public information from the game is not metagaming (the mod indicating rules/settup is part of the game), it's inattention on vette's part.

 

moreover Proff's post isn't a slip, it seems to purposefully attract attention and create confusion.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

I am. People want to lynch me based on a presumption of how the mod would handle my situation when the roleclaiming rules were written in thread. Meanwhile the mod said this:(in the sign-up thread) "If I did not denote your side, you are town. All non-towns I labebled in their pms." which I would take to indicate town roles didn't explicitly indicate such, and given that I can't see a win condition listed either.

It does border on thin ice as far as metagaming and so I don't really want to venture down that lane. But if I decide it's time for a nameclaim by the time I'm caught up, I'm certainly going to be looking for such. It's pretty clear to me at the moment that Vette, Heph, and/or prof slipped up. I can't imagine it was an elaborate trap set to see if I'd bite one way or the other and actually give my alignment away.

wait so now you read your PM?



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

TruckOSaurus on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

At least you recognize you are being stubborn. I'm trying hard to figure out your motive behind all this. I don't think it's the unknown aspects as you say because if that was really all you were after you would have just kept your mouth shut about it.

I'd say you're either scum who thinks he's in too deep to go back now or you're just fishing for reactions like you did last round with your Prof vote.

As I said a few times, it's more fun for me personally. I already know that as scum I can blend quite well, to the point that claiming I scan guilty was the reason I didn't make end game if not win at all despite having one partner make themselves the scummiest looking player since radish and the other partner disappearing and being modkilled. I've also shown that I have no issues of displaying a connection with a scummate, evidenced by quoting hatmoza linking myself and Gnizmo.

Point is I don't need to do it as an aid if I get unlucky(because I prefer town roles) and land scum, but it doesn't hurt either. Just playing the odds, I'm more likely to role town, and for that I am trying to hide what type of role I have. You say it shouldn't matter because there aren't really tells or they can be hidden, but you(among others) also correctly had me pegged for a power role my second game when I thought I was playing the same.

The reason I was vocal about it is because I wanted scum to know that they cannot read me day one when I'm town. I said it again in thread because there are players this round that very likely wouldn't have read the quicktopic where I said it was my intention. That's also for any of them that could be scum, but also for anyone that is town so that if I'm still around in future days they would understand why there may be a shift in my behavior.

I'm town that's probably in too deep. The reactions are great to gauge people's alignments, but I think it will be up to the other townies to make sense out of it all.

I'm starting to think you could be town but  there's still some points that don't sit well with me.

You say you're clever ever to fit in with the crowd if you land a scum role (I agree with you on this) but right after that you say not reading your PM helps you hide your possible power role and you bring up last game to support this idea because you were spotted as a power role.

That makes no sense since you caught my attention on Day Two because you defended ABC while he was doing his best to make himself look scummy. That was what pointed to you having some kind of information on ABC that explained your leaniency for his behavior.

I don't see how not reading your PM Day One could have changed that situation.



Signature goes here!

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

If things stay on the current course a certain person needs to be forced to roleclaim once things are looking dismal.(day three at the earliest I'd say) Hopefully Wonk or a townie will understand who I mean, and if not it's not the end of the world.

Now, since Vette is scum, I will explain why:
bla bla bla

Vote: Vetteman94

If I'm not being lynched today, he needs to go. If I do get lynched today, and once again I strongly urge pro-town players to condiser hammering me, then tighten the noose day two. I'd go far as telling the vig, if there is one, that they should shoot him tonight if they trust me or if I flip at twilight/evening instead of in the morning.

1) err who? j/k... err who? (Wonk, the fate of the town is on your shoulders!)

2) yeah noticed that is was a weak reason for Mr no lynch to vote... but that wasn't really enough. If you flip scum, i'll read this as you trying to save Vette after his slippup ^^ (by making a scum's last words incriminate him).

3) Agreed, the Vig should take out Vette, "Ah, I see now" is a weak enough defence on accusations to warrant that.



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO

Hephaestos on 18 May 2011
zarx said:

Well shit, I am going have to think about this new info


had time?

 

(which new info?)



OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO