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theprof00 said:

[snippped]

Lastly, though I know it's strange...I would advise that a cop, if any, should steer clear of Linkz. If he is not lynched, I think he may be trying to gain a scan, and could be a clean scanning role. (I know he says he hasn't read his role) I think Linkz is too smart to be suspicious, honestly. Either way, I don't think scanning him is a good idea. But, I think he should be lynched anyway, so to save us that whole line of thought:

unvote

vote linkz

I could be way off on that last part, but it doesn't really matter. Just a wild theory.

The snipped was a great read, although all wrong. Still very interesting to see possible connections that I never thought of since I have no scumbuddies to warn.

I would actually agree with you about a cop staying clear of me, but not because I want to be scanned clean as scum or am worried about scanning guilty. I fully realize that if I'm not lynched today then it's going to take some monumental confirmations to not have me be the primary suspect on future days. It's a waste to scan someone that is likely getting lynched anyway. But as for the theory and the follow-up post:

theprof00 said:
Oh, and the reason why I think he's a clean scanning role is because he has not once mentioned that a cop can scan him.

I know that sounds retarded, but from experience I know that people do that.

Saying, " a cop can scan me" is too obvious..

I guess you missed this: "Even if I'm just going to be a question mark unless someone can clear me, I think my experience and possible power would be better put to use until(and if) my lynch can no longer be put off." So such much for that.

I really don't want to be lynched, but I'm curious prof as to why you were so hesitant to revote when you stated strongly multiple times that you wanted me lynched. Why now do you feel you should put your vote where your mouth has been?



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NotStan said:
theprof00 said:

Where is this nameclaim you've now promised twice?

Would it even help? Since ABC stated name =/= alignment? 

Prof, I said I was willing, not that I was going to.

NotStan, I already mentioned that possibility here. To be specific: "I don't know the GTA4 theme and there may not be an actual flavor split at all between names, but I could see giving that information if it were to help get me off the chopping block."

Now I'm at L-1,(and it can't be a gambit this time around) and it seems Stefl, ST, and FF aren't willing to vote for me, but Zarx or NotStan might. I would still have to convince them all to vote/stay on No Lynch to survive to the night,(assuming ABC takes a tie like that as a no lynch) so I have a decision to make. Updated software means computer needs a reboot, so I'll get some water and think on it while that happens.



Links how does coming forward with a role help scum more than town? If you are lynched by town and are town it's a kill scum don't have to make. If you have a role and can get scum to kill you instead wouldn't that be more helpful? You killed by scum instead of some other townie who is less likely to be lynched.



Sorry if anyone's been lingering for my return, took a long time to post this out since it's my last post for the night and with work tomorrow it could be my last post of the game.

Decision made, in the end curiosity over knowing I picked out scum today got the better of me. I am Bernie Crane. There is no flavor about my name. I'm not going to roleclaim, but there's a good chance that even if I'm lynched it will benefit town.

Every pro-town player(and I wouldn't be surprised if that's all that is left) needs to think very strongly about hammering me.

Another quick glance at people voting me currently:
I'm sticking with Wildvine being scum currently voting for me and Vette as another.
I don't believe Heph to be scum anymore, and I'm slightly town with prof.
It'd be hilarious if TOS is scum AGAIN but I'm skeptical about Wildvine making a link with the votes like that.
I'm neutral on GOW, but if the mafia team is 3-strong as I suspect and they are all on me then I'd peg him as the third member.

People not on me:
I hope FF isn't scum as he's been the most reasonable person(with a vote) about me. Could just be distancing himself from what's seemed like a sure mislynch from pretty early on though.
ST's been outright defending me and that worries me. If I look at the day as a whole though he's my strongest town read.
I have a town read on Stefl too, and I hope the activity remains up for all days and games in the future.
NotStan I still think is scum, but I'm not going to point out anymore than I already have on him.
zarx I'm also neutral on. He's made some good points in my opinion.

If things stay on the current course a certain person needs to be forced to roleclaim once things are looking dismal.(day three at the earliest I'd say) Hopefully Wonk or a townie will understand who I mean, and if not it's not the end of the world.

Now, since Vette is scum, I will explain why:
He's "always against day one lynches unless there is a big screwup."(last round, but should still hold true) My claim of not reading my PM was not a screwup, as in it was not some kind of slip that indicates I'm scum. Apparently it's only been a scum tactic, but it's an incredibly stupid one. NEWSFLASH: I'm not stupid.
Now, even if you think it was a screwup. Vette's reasoning for the vote isn't sensible. It's not that the point doesn't stand to reason, but Vette should know by now that every move I make as either alignment is planned to give my side what I think is the best chance of winning. As FF pointed out and Vette tried to flippantly dismiss, if I was scum and tried such a tactic then I would flip such upon death and thus the tactic would be wasted as it would be considered a lie. I was the host of the game in which dsister said he wasn't going to read his pm(though he said it would be for the entire game) and though it was true for most of the first day, he did end up reading it. Although dsister was the last mafia to fall, I witnessed townies dismissing the claim and finding the connections with his mates and even looking for more connections from day one. So I know very well that it's an incredibly stupid tactic for scum to try to use. Thus Vette should know that isn't what happened, which leads to the vote merely being disdain for the playstyle. I can't fault people for the disdain, but it's not a good reason to vote, especially when always being against day one lynches. TLDR: You're wrong, it wasn't a screwup.

Vote: Vetteman94

If I'm not being lynched today, he needs to go. If I do get lynched today, and once again I strongly urge pro-town players to condiser hammering me, then tighten the noose day two. I'd go far as telling the vig, if there is one, that they should shoot him tonight if they trust me or if I flip at twilight/evening instead of in the morning.



Wonktonodi said:

Links how does coming forward with a role help scum more than town? If you are lynched by town and are town it's a kill scum don't have to make. If you have a role and can get scum to kill you instead wouldn't that be more helpful? You killed by scum instead of some other townie who is less likely to be lynched.

Was my earlier explaination not enough? Roleclaiming could make my role worthless even if I don't have an active ability.(Still not saying that is the case) There are plenty of roles besides a tree stump that won't be targeted by scum once a townie claims it. By not roleclaiming, there is a better chance that I could survive today and still make scum question whether I'm a threat or not. Additionally, while no lynch would probably be the alternative to my lynch today, I don't want trains to bounce around on people(well I do want one on Vette, and he should be hammered regardless of a claim) with claim after claim.



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Alright, goodnight Wonk. If I'm dead before my return I wish you the best of luck.



Linkzmax said:

Alright, goodnight Wonk. If I'm dead before my return I wish you the best of luck.


thanks and goodnight



votals would be nice

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Vetteman94 said:
Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:

Why are people making such a big deal about that post please explain?

I am personally not prepared to make a case against someone based on a presumption of how the mod would word someone else's PM (not everyone uses the same template for all roles), and additionally this is skating on thin ice as far as what is kosher metagaming IMO. 

But to break it down for you, Heph is figuring that if you say your PM says "you win when the town wins" then you're lying scum ... or something similar to that. 

Wildvine didn't see that, and I told him.  That's all. 

Ah, i see now


ok well FF basically gives you a way out (not everyone uses the same template for all roles) and your reaction is: "ah, I see now". To say that your lack of reaction is akin to a confession is an understatement  here.

"You basically said you were scum" "ah, I see now" ... good defense good defense...

Scum Vette

(keeping the vote on linkz for now)



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