3. A nameclaim I'm willing to do. As I explained to Heph a few posts back, a roleclaim is not likely since it could only help scum.

@Heph,

sorry earlier for saying you were surprised about wonk's bluff. Furthermore, I've reread that whole page and a half discussion and I didn't notice anyone  surprised or like "that woulda been great" (mafia exasperation).

This next part is more relevant to the discussion...OK

(Pre-unvotes) Wonk..kinda...outed himself (in a way). I mean, just his vote says "here's an example, vote: linkz" and then says, "it's a work in progress", he almost DREW the questioning out of linkz. I myself immediately thought, "wonk's vote might be a comment on not reading pms while having active powers".

But Linkz, at one point said, "this is not the time to prove/disprove any role you might have" (or something like that). Wonk pushed that it might be the time. Linkz half-heartedly agrees, and then changes the subject. Then it's kind of forgotten.

Later, after the unvotes, Linkz full on outed him by saying he's either actor or voteless. So, NOW, I can understand why Linkz would admit to outing wonk, but it was definitely after [linkz] was in trouble (this is important to a point further down). He further says, "Obviously there could be an error in the votals, and so Wonk shouldn't say anything on the matter unless he's actually an Actor or voteless."

Here's another problem. If Linkz is scum and wonk did his gamble thing, it's actually in mafia's best interest for a scum to "hammer" because it would clear one of them for a good portion of the game once the other one flipped. Linkz hasn't so far come out with this exactly, but did say that it would be better for scum that are ON his own lynch. You also have to factor in that Linkz wouldn't need to out Wonk *during* the "trial" because there is no way a scum is going to hammer scum. ie; He doesn't need to warn other scum that it's a trap, because even though it's beneficial if they do vote, they wouldn't dare anyway.

Now, what's certain is that wonk could have tried it again, with someone different and might have caught someone. It was at this time that Linkz outed Wonk. Whether it was to "inform" scum mates, or, well I don't really see any other reason to do so other than Linkz saying that it might somehow hurt town later down the line if they don't know that he's voteless...but then why give it away?

Lastly, though I know it's strange...I would advise that a cop, if any, should steer clear of Linkz. If he is not lynched, I think he may be trying to gain a scan, and could be a clean scanning role. (I know he says he hasn't read his role) I think Linkz is too smart to be suspicious, honestly. Either way, I don't think scanning him is a good idea. But, I think he should be lynched anyway, so to save us that whole line of thought:

unvote

vote linkz

I could be way off on that last part, but it doesn't really matter. Just a wild theory.

Where is this nameclaim you've now promised twice?

Would it even help? Since ABC stated name =/= alignment? 

I've explained the first paragraph at least twice now.

As to the second, you're primarily suspicious of me because of information that I voluntarily gave when there wasn't even a glance my way? Additionally there was not more than a single vote on several other players at the time, so I wouldn't even have been trying to divert attention away from a scummate and onto myself.(which as you admit yourself would make no sense)

I agree with the last paragraph, meaning I would think everyone that's truly suspicious of me would think the same way. Thus there's never been a reason to actually read the role PM. The only exception would be if I'm forced to claim.

Oh, and the reason why I think he's a clean scanning role is because he has not once mentioned that a cop can scan him.

I know that sounds retarded, but from experience I know that people do that.

Saying, " a cop can scan me" is too obvious..

anyway, like I said. It's a wild idea. Just throwing it out there. Because well, I am kinds contemplating leaving him alive for a little while........if he's town that's a great asset. But if he's scum, then he's their asset.

The real answer is that I need some sleep.

what does that matter? Where is it?

1. Your reasoning is backwards. You think I'm lying because I'm scum in order to conceal connections with scummates rather than noticing connections with shady people and thinking I'm scum and therefore must be lying.

The rest has been discussed ad nauseum.

How would that make any sense if I'm scum. It defeats the entire case against me. Furthermore if you think that could be the case then by odds you're voting for a townie from the get go, let alone now that I've said I know I am such.

I am. People want to lynch me based on a presumption of how the mod would handle my situation when the roleclaiming rules were written in thread. Meanwhile the mod said this:(in the sign-up thread) "If I did not denote your side, you are town. All non-towns I labebled in their pms." which I would take to indicate town roles didn't explicitly indicate such, and given that I can't see a win condition listed either.

It does border on thin ice as far as metagaming and so I don't really want to venture down that lane. But if I decide it's time for a nameclaim by the time I'm caught up, I'm certainly going to be looking for such. It's pretty clear to me at the moment that Vette, Heph, and/or prof slipped up. I can't imagine it was an elaborate trap set to see if I'd bite one way or the other and actually give my alignment away.