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Linkzmax said:
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
 

I'm just going to disagree with you on day one lynches being fruitless. I know no lynch to be a better alternative than my lynch so if I'm your only other choice I'm certainly not going to try to convince you that your opinion is wrong.


there are two ways that bolded can be read you know. :P

I've already stated a few times that I'm town, so it's implied that it'd be a better alternative for town. If i were scum then my lynch would probably have been better for the others anyway as it'd have cut a distraction and given a bit of credibility for being on a "successful" lynch.

Who? You directly implied that there are scum on your lynch. Who?



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

I've already stated a few times that I'm town, so it's implied that it'd be a better alternative for town. If i were scum then my lynch would probably have been better for the others anyway as it'd have cut a distraction and given a bit of credibility for being on a "successful" lynch.

Who? You directly implied that there are scum on your lynch. Who?

One, I'm not scum so there is no direct implication. Two, even IF I were scum, I wouldn't know who my other scumbuddies are anyway since I have yet to read the PM that would assumedly contain who my mates are. Three, I've already answered who I think the scum that have voted for me are. I want to relook at everyone, but I'm still catching up(Only took a look at this because I'm grabbing a link to a post and noticed the orange text) at this moment and won't have the time for that(relook) tonight either.



Hephaestos said:

ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions?  Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D

unlinkely scenario but it's still interesting to know how worthless that lama is =)

Hopefully ABC will finally say something on the matter, but usually a tree stump doesn't count as alive/in the player pool once claimed. The most recent votals would seem to indicate this as it says with 12 voters it takes 7 to lynch. So if there were Wonk, a vig, another townie, and 3 mafia(since 3rd party are scum too and could cross-vote with mafia) there should only be 5 voters and 3 to lynch. Thus mafia would win.



Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

I've already stated a few times that I'm town, so it's implied that it'd be a better alternative for town. If i were scum then my lynch would probably have been better for the others anyway as it'd have cut a distraction and given a bit of credibility for being on a "successful" lynch.

Who? You directly implied that there are scum on your lynch. Who?

One, I'm not scum so there is no direct implication. Two, even IF I were scum, I wouldn't know who my other scumbuddies are anyway since I have yet to read the PM that would assumedly contain who my mates are. Three, I've already answered who I think the scum that have voted for me are. I want to relook at everyone, but I'm still catching up(Only took a look at this because I'm grabbing a link to a post and noticed the orange text) at this moment and won't have the time for that(relook) tonight either.

then how would that be better for scum if you were scum? Maybe I'm looking to deeply into it, but I just don't see how that follows.



TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

At least you recognize you are being stubborn. I'm trying hard to figure out your motive behind all this. I don't think it's the unknown aspects as you say because if that was really all you were after you would have just kept your mouth shut about it.

I'd say you're either scum who thinks he's in too deep to go back now or you're just fishing for reactions like you did last round with your Prof vote.

As I said a few times, it's more fun for me personally. I already know that as scum I can blend quite well, to the point that claiming I scan guilty was the reason I didn't make end game if not win at all despite having one partner make themselves the scummiest looking player since radish and the other partner disappearing and being modkilled. I've also shown that I have no issues of displaying a connection with a scummate, evidenced by quoting hatmoza linking myself and Gnizmo.

Point is I don't need to do it as an aid if I get unlucky(because I prefer town roles) and land scum, but it doesn't hurt either. Just playing the odds, I'm more likely to role town, and for that I am trying to hide what type of role I have. You say it shouldn't matter because there aren't really tells or they can be hidden, but you(among others) also correctly had me pegged for a power role my second game when I thought I was playing the same.

The reason I was vocal about it is because I wanted scum to know that they cannot read me day one when I'm town. I said it again in thread because there are players this round that very likely wouldn't have read the quicktopic where I said it was my intention. That's also for any of them that could be scum, but also for anyone that is town so that if I'm still around in future days they would understand why there may be a shift in my behavior.

I'm town that's probably in too deep. The reactions are great to gauge people's alignments, but I think it will be up to the other townies to make sense out of it all.



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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

I've already stated a few times that I'm town, so it's implied that it'd be a better alternative for town. If i were scum then my lynch would probably have been better for the others anyway as it'd have cut a distraction and given a bit of credibility for being on a "successful" lynch.

Who? You directly implied that there are scum on your lynch. Who?

One, I'm not scum so there is no direct implication. Two, even IF I were scum, I wouldn't know who my other scumbuddies are anyway since I have yet to read the PM that would assumedly contain who my mates are. Three, I've already answered who I think the scum that have voted for me are. I want to relook at everyone, but I'm still catching up(Only took a look at this because I'm grabbing a link to a post and noticed the orange text) at this moment and won't have the time for that(relook) tonight either.

then how would that be better for scum if you were scum? Maybe I'm looking to deeply into it, but I just don't see how that follows.

That's explained in the bolded. It gives them some credibility for not wanting to avoid lynching a scummate. As for the distraction bit: mafia want to distract town away from lynching their mates if possible and love it when townies are doing the job for them. They would know that if I'm not lynched today then it would be because of a no lynch and I'd almost undoubtedly be a goner tomorrow, when I would by then have to know who they were and could hurt them with connections that don't(even coming from the mouth of scum) exist. They'd cut out a negative distraction so they could start focusing on setting up mislynches.



Linkz you going to adress things from vett and notstan?



Linkzmax said:

The questions to people asking what they want is mostly rhetorical. I've already stated myself how nothing I say is likely to believed, and that itself is a reason not to read my PM since it would do no good for the people voting me.

I'm willing to nameclaim. There would be no need to fake a roleclaim, because and with this much suspicion there's no way to pro-town lie about my roleclaim so as to either not make myself a night target or to make myself a night target so the other townies that actually have usefl roles would be less likely to be killed. There's no way to lie about it because if I have no ability then I won't be able to fake having one,(or at the least I'd have to be very lucky) and if I have an ability then I'm going to be hung down the road when I fess up. As such I would definitely have to tell the absolute truth, which townies aren't going to believe fully, but it will offer scum information that I'd rather they not have.

By the way I've already picked up on a few hints of roles, so if I were scum I would know a few to avoid. I haven't pointed any of them out, because if the people are actual town it would be bad to out them as they don't have roles that could be detrimental to town if unclaimed. I'll be looking for a change in tune or a conflucting roleclaim down the line in case they're scum so I can then point them out though.


I really see no reason for you to roleclaim, especially on day one.  I suspect that under the people who brought you to this point are scum members. I would just fit them perfectly if you roleclaim now, so I'm asking you not to do it.

 

As for prof and Stefl, I will be answering your question when I get back home, I need to go to work now.



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Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:
Vetteman94 said:
Linkzmax said:

Well you're wrong about both, because I have still yet to read my role PM. I did receive a second PM, which I believe ABC sent because with all of the votes he may have thought I would roleclaim. I've received two more that's just been chatting with ABC basically, but I bet you aren't going to believe that either.

If I didnt believe you the first time why would I believe you this time.  You arent giving me any new information to confirm what you are saying is true.

As I just asked zarx, what information could I give you to confirm that it's true? Without doing something like a screenshot(which would be as bas as PM quoting) there is nothing I could say that could confirm it. So a better question from my end is, what information do you want from me that won't be confirmed until I'm mislynched, killed, or win/lose at endgame?

Why would ABC send you a second PM talking about your role and roleclaiming when you say you havent even looked at your role to know what it is?  He would obviously be paying attention to the game if he saw that you were close to being lynched so I imagine he also read that you never read your Role PM.  

Not to mention why would their be information in their about your specific role and not just a generic Roleclaiming message like he posted earlier in the game.  And if you already have a basic understanding of your role and its power role and already believe that you are pro-town, because of the "second PM" then why are you still hesitant to read your Role PM and know what your full role is? 

I already said why I think ABC did what he did, but I have no way of knowing that since it's not my own action. Time stamps put the PM at right after I made the post saying I was willing to claim if people asked for it. He must have read that or he's only been following in spurts, but he also asked in the third PM if I actually read it so he could have thought I was lying or maybe checking it at that point. So I explained to him that he could check Sent messages and it would display the PM he sent me as new as long as it was unread, and I also asked if he wanted me to read it.

I never said the second PM gave information on my specific role. It told me whether or not I have an active ability and thus whether or not I would be penalized. There was another bit that let me know I was town, and there's just no way to paraphrase that without saying more than I'm willing to. I'm not reading my role PM because it wouldn't help me any further at this juncture.



theprof00 said:

@Linkz, you don't NEED to save me time, but if you're really out to hunt for scum, you should at least be mentioning the names of people who were surprised by wonk's gambit. I mean, remember my retarded gambit that outed trashleg as the cop? You were the only one that expressed surprise really. I don't know if it was a charade, but you came off as relieved. I think that knowing those people is important. Glad to know that Heph is one of those names.

I still think notstan is mafia also.

I need to look over that whole thing again.

Sorry to say, but it's starting to look like we can get a boatload of information from your lynch, moreso you than anyone else.

I thought by quoting each of them that met the 'making a big deal out of it' part I was doing exactly that, well not the gambit but the claim. I left you out because you just seemed surprised at the role itself. TOS accepted it and Vette seemed reluctant at first but then spun it in a positive light. IIRC there were one or two more that said something about it, but Stefl and Heph were the only ones to make it look horrible and so the only ones I really bothered mentioning about it.

I don't disagree that there'd likely be a ton of information from my lynch, but I don't know how easy it's going to be to sort it out. I'm also certain it's a mislynch, so that's not something I would want to advocate town do. Even if I'm just going to be a question mark unless someone can clear me, I think my experience and possible power would be better put to use until(and if) my lynch can no longer be put off.