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Stefl1504 said:

I am thinking of myself as rather easy lynch target, since when someone has started a lynchtrain on me, I always ended up lynched...

As for Heph - he played good last round and according to his own statement some rounds ago, he plays one round good and then fails the next round, so this should be a failround for him... also I am getting a somehow different vibe from him this time then the other times.

Also regarding the linkz situation, why don't we just declare its the mods fault that linkz is able to not read his role, I played games here on VGC where you had to PM the mod with your role in order to activate yourself^^ - maybe we should make this a standardrule to prevent people not even knowing their role.

Why do you think you are so easy to get lynched once it gets started?

Heph said that after winning a round then getting night killed by the scum team night one the next game. So I'm not so sure he meant just himself. Although he's one I'm currently leaning more towards scum than town.

Now I think I might want you to clarify your statements on linkz. You're saying we should blame ABC for making it where Linkz could play without having read his role PM. Instead of just blaming linkz for deliberately not reading it. Telling everyone he didn't read it and continues to say he hasn't read it even when nearly lynched. That seems like you are being far to generous with Linkz for his own deliberate actions.



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Wonktonodi said:

is it weird enough for a vote? or just weird and you'll move on?


Well I am usally against day one lynches but this day has been a rather weird one and considering that we already one vote down we are going to have to be proactive. Linkz is the most suspicious person so far but I am still not 100% on a vote yet so for now 

HoS Linkz

I would like to get everone elses thoughts before and any further defence linkz has deciding how to procede. 



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Wonktonodi said:
Stefl1504 said:

I am thinking of myself as rather easy lynch target, since when someone has started a lynchtrain on me, I always ended up lynched...

As for Heph - he played good last round and according to his own statement some rounds ago, he plays one round good and then fails the next round, so this should be a failround for him... also I am getting a somehow different vibe from him this time then the other times.

Also regarding the linkz situation, why don't we just declare its the mods fault that linkz is able to not read his role, I played games here on VGC where you had to PM the mod with your role in order to activate yourself^^ - maybe we should make this a standardrule to prevent people not even knowing their role.

Why do you think you are so easy to get lynched once it gets started?

Heph said that after winning a round then getting night killed by the scum team night one the next game. So I'm not so sure he meant just himself. Although he's one I'm currently leaning more towards scum than town.

Now I think I might want you to clarify your statements on linkz. You're saying we should blame ABC for making it where Linkz could play without having read his role PM. Instead of just blaming linkz for deliberately not reading it. Telling everyone he didn't read it and continues to say he hasn't read it even when nearly lynched. That seems like you are being far to generous with Linkz for his own deliberate actions.

Well, I think that Linkz is breaking the game with doing something like that, on the other hand it was not forbidden by the mod, so it isn't as bad as it would be when it was forbidden. Also I don't want to lynch him just based on this one action. Of course there are better ways for linkz to handle this situation, but I don't think that town is considering the effect this could have on the whole game.



Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:

Vote Linkzmax

I believe you are lying about not reading your role PM,  I believe you did read it, saw that you were scum and said that you didnt read it so there couldnt be possible links to your scum buddies through the firrst day posts.  I believe you fabricated the second PM as well, since there was no reason for you to get a second PM, as you hadnt made any roleclaims of any sort.

I'm so proud, Vette is doing something on the first day!  Unfortunately I disagree. 

If he knows he is scum, and knows who his scumbuddies are, then lying about not reading his PM doesn't change those facts.  At most it would be a plan to fool us into thinking he DIDN'T know on Day 1, which would only matter once one of them was dead.  Seems too risky to be a sensible move IMO. 

Quoting for attention, because really anything I say I would or wouldn't do as scum is just WIFOM. I have no idea what FF is, but anybody else's 2 cents on the matter is going to be a better defense than my own.



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Hephaestos said:

What?

I voted first. I unvoted First (at what seemed as L-1, but apparently was L-2 because of Wonk, I didn't like the speed by which the lynch was gathering support).

Proff is the one that was 4th and 4th, hence why i'm turning his "tipping point" voter theory on him.

I'm still holding my opinion on your vote and thinking you are one of the scum that voted me. The unvote was very reasonable, but that could be a move made by either scum or town. As scum you could think the lynch will happen anyway and backing off of what would be a rushed town lynch would make you look good. As town it would be exactly as you say.



Stefl1504 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

FoS Stefl: For not seeing the possible benefits of a confirmed townie.


Sorry that I don't think that this was a good decision, but I really think if scum wasted a kill on him it would be more valuable... of course he now can say whatever he wants, but if he claimed he should have done it at a later point, not in endgame, but certainly not day one...

I agree with this.  I'd have tried to paint myself as a big target for a night kill, and if it didn't happen I would have claimed when I thought town would only have one mislynch available.(Yes I realize that takes a lot of analysis and a bit of guesswork)

Wonk had a decent plan, but it didn't work out.(As town gambles often don't) It's not really that big of a loss as some are making it out to be.



TruckOSaurus said:
Stefl1504 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

FoS Stefl: For not seeing the possible benefits of a confirmed townie.


Sorry that I don't think that this was a good decision, but I really think if scum wasted a kill on him it would be more valuable... of course he now can say whatever he wants, but if he claimed he should have done it at a later point, not in endgame, but certainly not day one...

I'm not saying he played his hand perfectly but after the "plan" he tried to execute, people were bound to realize he had no vote.  So when that happened his chance of luring scum to kill him dropped considerably so roleclaiming was the logical choice at that point.

Also quoting for attention since this is one of the big reasons Heph revoted me.



Stefl1504 said:

Sooo GoW... I am going to counter your counterquestion with another question - To me it seemed like you have dismissed the idea of NotStan being scum some posts ago, yet now you say that he is still on your scumspects, would you like to clarify this situation? And what do you think of Zarx, ToS or Vette?

I am thinking of myself as rather easy lynch target, since when someone has started a lynchtrain on me, I always ended up lynched...

As for Heph - he played good last round and according to his own statement some rounds ago, he plays one round good and then fails the next round, so this should be a failround for him... also I am getting a somehow different vibe from him this time then the other times.

Also regarding the linkz situation, why don't we just declare its the mods fault that linkz is able to not read his role, I played games here on VGC where you had to PM the mod with your role in order to activate yourself^^ - maybe we should make this a standardrule to prevent people not even knowing their role.

Yeah..I forgot to answer your notstan question. Where have i dismissed him as a suspect ? I've said that linkz and him were my top suspects. You and heph are also giving me a bad vibe...

Vetteman just came here. So I don't have a read on him yet.

Zarx - Last time I played with him was in the dragon ball z round, where all he did was make 1000s of dragon ball z references which i didn't understand. I think the guy also attacked me for thinking he was scum, when i was a confirmed dead guy who was revived (it was either him or nen-suer). so i'm a little confused as to what to think of him...its not like he has made much of a = contribution in this game either. He had that problem of suspecting anyone who suspected him in the dragon ball round too IIRC, where he was pro-town. Not much to go on here...but we should keep an eye on him I guess.

TruckOSaurus is a tricky one for me (like theprof). I don't know what to say, other than we should watch him closely. But he did make a very valid point about not reading your role PM. It 100% resonated with my exact thoughts when I read that linkz didn't read his role PM.

zarx said:

Well I am usally against day one lynches but this day has been a rather weird one and considering that we already one vote down we are going to have to be proactive. Linkz is the most suspicious person so far but I am still not 100% on a vote yet so for now 

HoS Linkz

I would like to get everone elses thoughts before and any further defence linkz has deciding how to procede. 

This is exactly the puss behaviour I was talking about earlier. In the previous games I've played on VGC, everyone had this mentality and day ones usually eneded up being nothing more than 400 posts to conclude on a no lynch. I was just gonna comment on how we've finally manned up as a unit to move forward (even vetteman is pushing for a day one lynch :O )...but this post just took it all away.

I've decided I want linkz to be lynched. He is selfish, he didn't read his pm, giving us a false fabrication of a day one read which would be more benificial if you were mafia, and I don't buy his 2nd PM bullshit. Thats reason enough for me. It doesn't matter what others think you should do..you shouldn't base your vote around that. You should consider other's opinions and based on them, formulate your own decision. Stop being such a spineless puppet.

Wildvine53 said:


If he did get a second pm that had all of his info, why would he need to read the first?

I love how you popped after I mentioned that you are lurking. Care to add more to the discussion more than a single line ?

Wonktonodi said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

I think I'm not speaking alone when I say if you make smaller post it would be easier to reply to them. Especially when quoting more than one person at a time.

Thanks.

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Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

FoS Stefl: For not seeing the possible benefits of a confirmed townie.


Sorry that I don't think that this was a good decision, but I really think if scum wasted a kill on him it would be more valuable... of course he now can say whatever he wants, but if he claimed he should have done it at a later point, not in endgame, but certainly not day one...

I agree with this.  I'd have tried to paint myself as a big target for a night kill, and if it didn't happen I would have claimed when I thought town would only have one mislynch available.(Yes I realize that takes a lot of analysis and a bit of guesswork)

Wonk had a decent plan, but it didn't work out.(As town gambles often don't) It's not really that big of a loss as some are making it out to be.

just for the sake of saving me some time, who are these people that mentioned it? Do you have a list?