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Wonktonodi on 16 May 2011
Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:
Stefl1504 said:
Wonktonodi said:

Yeah double checked my post. I'm only became unkillable after I mentioned stump. So I could have tried to get the scum to kill me before claiming but then I'd be dead. I think my voice is more usefull to the town and now no protown powerroles will waste a night action on me.


Then I hope Scum targets you anyway^^


Wait... I don't believe your claim one bit... it is clearly mentioned in one of ABC posts that if we claim our actions go random.org, so why should he implement a role that has to claim to get somewhat usefull

HoS Wonk

Only roles with active abilities(cops, roleblockers, doctors, etc.) would be penalized though. You are correct that a tree stump that had no vote is very much the opposite, but I would not be too surprised by a tree stump being included. What makes me wonder strongly about the claim is my vote on Wonk is counting.


Well I have two thoughts on that matter. One that ABC hasn't come in yet to make an anoucment. Two the fact I can't be killed isn't the same as can't be voted for.



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Stefl1504 on 16 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Stefl1504 said:
Stefl1504 said:
Wonktonodi said:

Yeah double checked my post. I'm only became unkillable after I mentioned stump. So I could have tried to get the scum to kill me before claiming but then I'd be dead. I think my voice is more usefull to the town and now no protown powerroles will waste a night action on me.


Then I hope Scum targets you anyway^^


Wait... I don't believe your claim one bit... it is clearly mentioned in one of ABC posts that if we claim our actions go random.org, so why should he implement a role that has to claim to get somewhat usefull

HoS Wonk

Some would argue once I claim my role is uesless. I however do like the idea of not being killed this game. Regardles my role has no actions to radnomize. I have no actions. I have no vote. You also know what is great I don't need you to believe it. You Can't do anything about it! I can't die. It's that simple.

Look at the votals. When they messed up yours they changed them. There have been at least 2 since I voted and unvoted. My vote was never there.

And since you asked so nicely I'm Dwyane Forge how ABC turned him into a treestump is beyond me.


Well yeah, if thats so there is no hurt in lynching you (since you can't die), also why are there votals against you? Isn't it kind of useless counting the votes against you when you can't even die?



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theprof00 on 16 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:

I think Heph was in what could potentially be a mislynch and then he dropped out before anything could happen. Caution usually points toward scum for me.

I don't agree with this reasoning.  If Heph voted early, it's expected that people throw their vote around on Day 1 and people voting later would take the blame.  If Heph voted later, and he's being cautious, he wouldn't have voted in the first place, right?  

(Based on later posts, apparently he voted 4th?  So I would think that the second option would apply.  And the same post I got that from said he was 4th to unvote as well so it's not like he got nervous and bailed at a critical moment.  If anything I'd think his unvote was almost unnecessary.) 


Heph pointed out that prof voted and unvoted 4th. Prof also says that 4th vote is a scum tell.

I unvoted fourth. Whether I voted fourth I don't recall, but this is the first time I've ever had to think about a "fourth unvoter". I don't immediately see why it matters.



theprof00 on 16 May 2011

wtf, a tree stump can't be killed in any way? Where does it say they can't be lynched? It says can't be killed, is that the same thing?



Wonktonodi on 16 May 2011
theprof00 said:

wtf, a tree stump can't be killed in any way? Where does it say they can't be lynched? It says can't be killed, is that the same thing?

The Tree Stump is a pro-town role that has no effects or Night Actions, apart from once per game the Tree Stump may publicly declare themselves as the Tree Stump, after which he can no longer vote or be killed by anybody. The Tree Stump may be killed before his declaration

although ABC said not to pay attention to this since I never had a vote :(



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Vetteman94 on 16 May 2011
Final-Fan said:
Vetteman94 said:
Final-Fan said:
Stefl1504 said:

As for Vette - could you give us a small overview of what you are thinking about all the players, like for example who is an active lurker, who could be town, who scum, and so on.

Vette sees nothing; he suspects nothing; he knows nothing. 

Thanks for the vote of confidence

After everything that's happened today, all you have to say is "No comment".  You even apologized for it! 
I made it into a joke, but it's a statement of fact, Vetteman. 

Wow, having no comment does not mean I dont know whats going on,  just that I would rather wait on giving comments about things until i get more information.  I think you need to reread my post before you post this BS again.



Stefl1504 on 16 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

wtf, a tree stump can't be killed in any way? Where does it say they can't be lynched? It says can't be killed, is that the same thing?

The Tree Stump is a pro-town role that has no effects or Night Actions, apart from once per game the Tree Stump may publicly declare themselves as the Tree Stump, after which he can no longer vote or be killed by anybody. The Tree Stump may be killed before his declaration

although ABC said not to pay attention to this since I never had a vote :(

Well okay, then lynching you is like no lynch, and if you lied you lied and you die^^ just as simple as it is^^, but we could keep him alive for the mafia to try killing him - everyone against the tree stump



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theprof00 on 16 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

wtf, a tree stump can't be killed in any way? Where does it say they can't be lynched? It says can't be killed, is that the same thing?

The Tree Stump is a pro-town role that has no effects or Night Actions, apart from once per game the Tree Stump may publicly declare themselves as the Tree Stump, after which he can no longer vote or be killed by anybody. The Tree Stump may be killed before his declaration

although ABC said not to pay attention to this since I never had a vote :(

So, ABC said "don't pay attention to the wiki"?



Wonktonodi on 16 May 2011
theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

wtf, a tree stump can't be killed in any way? Where does it say they can't be lynched? It says can't be killed, is that the same thing?

The Tree Stump is a pro-town role that has no effects or Night Actions, apart from once per game the Tree Stump may publicly declare themselves as the Tree Stump, after which he can no longer vote or be killed by anybody. The Tree Stump may be killed before his declaration

although ABC said not to pay attention to this since I never had a vote :(

So, ABC said "don't pay attention to the wiki"?


not in so many words



Linkzmax on 16 May 2011
Hephaestos said:

I now had time to go back and check the votals.... so i'll say this.

How does outing wonk help the town? it doesn't.

How does it help the scum? they won't have to loose a kill at trying to get to him.

Now linkz i'm voting back on you for this first blow you gave the town... you basically killed a townie by depriving wonk of the ability to make himself a marthyr. Oh sure you'll say that as scum you could have waited the night to tell your mates, but no, you needed the confirmation on his role and not just give him a free pass.

Moreover, it's nice and all that people complain you didn't check your PM at L-1... whatever. What buggs me is your "warning message" cause apparently now you know that you're town... oh yeah so what is your reason now for not reading your PM? the only reason left that makes sense is to not see the names of your scumbuddies.

 

Vote: Linkz

I have come to grips with the fact that if I see something, then I can be sure at least one set of eyes on the scumteam has seen it as well. Given Wonk's "plan" and the Votals, it was obvious his vote didn't count. This would have only been more apparent as Votals continued to be posted throughout the rest of the day. It is important to town to know why that is, because voteless is a liability.

I didn't kill Wonk, Heph. His own actions deprived himself of being a martyr. He could have gone the day without voting and made himself a target through his words, but that wasn't the case.

As I've already explained for still not reading my PM, the second one told me all I needed to know. I'm town, I don't have any kind of voting restrictions, and I may or may not have an active ability that would be penalized by a role claim.(I do know which it is, I'm just not clarifying)



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