"Heph, what are the odds of us winning if we vote for no lynch today?" Absolutely nowhere here does it speak about benefiting town. Unless you're telling me that you know Heph to be town already. Further, for Heph to give you odds he'd have to know the actual setup of the round, which is(or damn well better be) impossible regardless of his alignment.

I haven't stopped explaining myself for more than maybe two posts in a row, and I doubt that will change until this day is over. That's fine, I don't mind it one bit. I am not just going to sit back and play defense though, because there are scum to find. You just so happen to have made the post that irks me the most.

Day one almost always ends in no lynch because everyone seems to carry this fear that a mislynch here is going to cost the game. That is why I talked about cutting to the chase and just getting the day over with, because it is such a chore trying to get others to be active. If most(as in even more than a simple majority) would push for lynches, you would see people trying to steer the town as a whole towards or away from lynching certain people. That type of information is very much worth trading a possible mislynch for, and especially in powered games you can see scum trying to keep the lynch off their vital roles even if it would cost a more minor role.

"Heph, what are the odds of us winning if we vote for no lynch today?" Absolutely nowhere here does it speak about benefiting town. Unless you're telling me that you know Heph to be town already. Further, for Heph to give you odds he'd have to know the actual setup of the round, which is(or damn well better be) impossible regardless of his alignment.

I haven't stopped explaining myself for more than maybe two posts in a row, and I doubt that will change until this day is over. That's fine, I don't mind it one bit. I am not just going to sit back and play defense though, because there are scum to find. You just so happen to have made the post that irks me the most.

Day one almost always ends in no lynch because everyone seems to carry this fear that a mislynch here is going to cost the game. That is why I talked about cutting to the chase and just getting the day over with, because it is such a chore trying to get others to be active. If most(as in even more than a simple majority) would push for lynches, you would see people trying to steer the town as a whole towards or away from lynching certain people. That type of information is very much worth trading a possible mislynch for, and especially in powered games you can see scum trying to keep the lynch off their vital roles even if it would cost a more minor role.

My current thinking is that as a more experienced member, Heph tried to get the ball rolling. Once again I'm not saying there's no justification to dislike my actions, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd use something that big to get things moving on a mislynch. TOS's vote seems genuine. I don't know Wildvine, but the FOS followed by the Vote after Stefl defended me(oh yeah, that is what's weighing on my mind about him) doesn't seem like a logical progression. I wasn't given any time to answer the first questions, and there has been zero response since the vote, which basically just parroted TOS.

Wonk's HOS to a vote adds up to me, but I'm going to flat out say that the last votals point to Wonk being an Actor as Heph was last round. I have no qualms about possibly outing such a role as that type along with voteless or hated townie will almost always only be a detriment to the town. If that's the case, I completely understand his plan now. Obviously there could be an error in the votals, and so Wonk shouldn't say anything on the matter unless he's actually an Actor or voteless.

You're either taking things more serious as scum or you're back to you're townie self. As is usual I'm in no need to rush a decision on that matter, but for the moment I lean to the latter. Lastly, ST comes off as town also, although he had a very troubling unvote as Heph pointed out.

So in summary I'm thinking Heph and Wildvine, but since a lot of it depends on alignments of others I wouldn't hedge against either at the moment. Wonk would be third on my list of those that voted for me, pending the vote issue. I do agree that scum are usually hesitant to put themselves out there on a day one mislynch, but my situation has given plenty of excuse with little blame to carry so I feel like 2 were probably on me. The only issue is several members(FF, GOW, and Vette off the top of my head) haven't even been posting since then.

I already explained why I didn't feel pressured to read my PM at L-1. It wasn't something that I felt was either needed nor would have remedied the situation. There wasn't a call for me to claim, so reading the PM just so I could say(or lie) "okay yup I'm town" shouldn't have gotten me any unvotes. And actually claiming when the only "scummy" thing I've done has nothing to do with actions I may or may not be able to take could only be detrimental to town. Of course I want to stay around in the game and so I don't want to be lynched, but I felt it would be better to try and reason it out instead of buckling.

My point wasn't about your wording of winning with town and thus that making you town. You said to zarx, "all you care about is town winning." which I inferred as you knowing zarx wants town to win. That is my issue, not the things said to Stefl.(as I'd have more or less did the same dancing around the lazy, untelling question.)

Why don't you think anyone will lynch me? You think NotStan actually has a chance of being lynched? And yes I've noticed a lot about NotStan, but last round I was getting a similar read(of scum) all while he was town.

How long is it until the end of the day anyway?

I disagree, as I'm still very much trying to discover connections between scummates, which to me is playing. As for myself I'm either scum and it's disguising any link I have with others OR I'm town and it's disguising any possible links or powers I have from scum. I'll admit it is selfish, but it's a win-win for me. 

I don't see how this would benefit anyone other than scum. Not reading your PM means you'll be going through Day One assuming you're a townie until you read your PM at night so if you're really a townie it's the same as if you had actually read it.

If you're scum though, it prevents you from acting differently to your scummates kinda giving you a head start. Also, it allows you to start Day Two knowing which one of your team mates townie-Linkz would have been suspicious of, knowing which townie gave Townie-Linkz a scum vibe so you can "honestly" push for his lynch.

Since I see this as a scum tactic, I'll do my best to stop it now:

Vote: Linkzmax

Unvote Linkz

We're at L1 now, I don't want to offer scum the opportunity to end day 1 prematurely. I also considered the thing with him a bit. I read all his comments again, but aside from the "not reading PM" I don't get the vibe he's scum, so I give him another chance, though I'm keeping my eye on him.

I'd would advise him to finally read your PM, before things get dirty, I don't want that we loose a possible townie because he because of such a needless discussion.

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Wonk's HOS to a vote adds up to me, but I'm going to flat out say that the last votals point to Wonk being an Actor as Heph was last round. I have no qualms about possibly outing such a role as that type along with voteless or hated townie will almost always only be a detriment to the town. If that's the case, I completely understand his plan now. Obviously there could be an error in the votals, and so Wonk shouldn't say anything on the matter unless he's actually an Actor or voteless.

it's so hard to read a reply like this and know how to break it down for a proper response. Since it's late, since it's day 1, since I don't feel necessary, I'll be brief.

A) I think Heph was in what could potentially be a mislynch and then he dropped out before anything could happen. Caution usually points toward scum for me.

B) I see that whole thing with Wonk now. Hopefully, it's not part of a bigger master scum plan.

C) about zarx, I can see how that looks scummy, but I didn't in any way mean that HE was town. I don't know why I wrote it like that, though. Perhaps I confused hi with stefl, who was giving me a town vibe, or perhaps I meant it in a subjective way. At this point in time I don't remember, although in the moment I'm sure there was some reason (or at least, some discernable thought process). I don't know zarx' alignment. I don't know why, but I just assumed he was town for some reason.

How you guys backed out of lynching this clown is beyond me. What kind of blasphemy is this ??? He's admitted that IF he's scum, he'd be in a great position for the rest of the game if he makes it through day 1. Ugh...

oh btw, Unvote

Asking a question in regards to whether a no lynch would be beneficial for town is now considered scummy? Whatever warrants your reason to divert attention to me I suppose.

I always vote no lynch on day one, and will continue to do so in the forseeable future unless something spectacular happens.

Vote No Lynch

Whether you like it or not, most of the time this results in a no lynch or mislynch, in rare intances does it get the correct lynch, I could have hammered Linkz, but decided against it.