So are you going to read your role PM now then? Because it would seem that there is no benifit to not reading it now unless you are scum...

How did the worning confirm you were town anyway? Seems pretty dodgy to me.

I'll assume you were talking to me.

First, I said I thought it was a warning. The title  was "Roleclaiming" so I thought it may have been a warning about me roleclaiming. It turns out I was thinking right because it mentioned whether or not I have an active ability and thus if I could be penalized. It also stated I was pro-town. It was not a warning about anything I've been doing or more accurately not doing though.

Second, I was asking about your response to zarx. I was only pointing out Stefl's post as something that also struck me, and then indicated how I thought they contrasted. I don't care if someone evades the "are you townie/mafia" question, since it's a pointless one in my mind, but your evasion of my question is bothersome. You turned a casual back-and-forth with Stefl into a serious one, and then stated that all a third person cares about is town winning. Either claim you may have made a mistake or just ignore it completely.

Third, that's fair enough. I didn't openly admit that I didn't read my PM, but I was trying to tell Wonk very strongly that his day one read wasn't worth anything. I did say prior to this round that I wouldn't read my PM, and I do now know that I will flip town even though I haven't read my PM. So that's at least one exception to the rule.

I didn't feel actual pressure at L-1 and certainly don't now that there's been unvotes, though additional votes still aren't going to worry me. People weren't voting me because they wanted me to claim, but because there's a push that a neutral action is actually a scum tactic. The worry was that if I'm scum there won't be any interactions with scummates to read from today. That is no longer an issue since I know I'm town. As I see it now, I would bet at least half of the scumteam has or had a vote on me today.

Finally, there's a big orange block with a number in it next to my "Messages" right under my avatar. The numbers is the same if I hover over the indicator that's at the top right. If the number changes I will know if I have a new PM, but I don't need a tab just for Messages.

No, I'm not going to read it yet. I know whether or not I have an active ability, and thus if I can disguise that fact or lacktherof until at least tonight it should help town.

I'm not stupid and won't be quoting a PM. It said I was town. You seem extremely dodgy to me after your question to Heph.

what question? I haven't asked him anything

given what's happened then, linkz, who would you say are members of the scumteam that voted for you?

I find it that scum are usually very reluctant to vote for someone on day 1, and often feign hesitance. If I were to pick any of those people whom I thought might potentially be scum with a vote on you, it would be heph and wonk.

But I'm still curious that even though you were at L-1, you still didn't read your pm.

Other than that, I'd say enough pressure has been sent your way, and I'd look into some other people for now.

And yes, I did not mean to imply that I'm third party. I said that I was town, well, I said I win with the town. Unfortunately, for me, that's what my pm says. It's not a direct quote, but it was fresh on my mind.

Again, the question that stefl asked me "are you a townie" was just odd. It's completely direct to the point where it's a bad question. While replying to it, I did first write that I was, but then I thought, "what a ridiculous question", hence my answer.

Anyway, because I still believe notstan to be mafia, and because nobody has the backbone to lynch you, I'm putting my vote back on him.

(Notice, that he didn't vote you, but did FoS you. From my experience, mafia don't vote rashly)

unvote

vote: notstan

My apologies. I confused you with NotStan. He is extremely dodgy to me for that question to Heph.

You I am neutral on, though with prof's possible slip I'd lean town. I do share the suspicions on Stefl. He isn't matching the usual scum vibes I get from him and in fact the bahvior is very much a town tell, but there's something there to me. I don't know exactly how to place it, but I know it's not the early aggression that you FOS'd him for, as that's a null for me.

Asking a question in regards to whether a no lynch would be beneficial for town is now considered scummy? Whatever warrants your reason to divert attention to me I suppose.

I always vote no lynch on day one, and will continue to do so in the forseeable future unless something spectacular happens.

Vote No Lynch

Whether you like it or not, most of the time this results in a no lynch or mislynch, in rare intances does it get the correct lynch, I could have hammered Linkz, but decided against it.

My current thinking is that as a more experienced member, Heph tried to get the ball rolling. Once again I'm not saying there's no justification to dislike my actions, but I wouldn't be surprised if he'd use something that big to get things moving on a mislynch. TOS's vote seems genuine. I don't know Wildvine, but the FOS followed by the Vote after Stefl defended me(oh yeah, that is what's weighing on my mind about him) doesn't seem like a logical progression. I wasn't given any time to answer the first questions, and there has been zero response since the vote, which basically just parroted TOS.

Wonk's HOS to a vote adds up to me, but I'm going to flat out say that the last votals point to Wonk being an Actor as Heph was last round. I have no qualms about possibly outing such a role as that type along with voteless or hated townie will almost always only be a detriment to the town. If that's the case, I completely understand his plan now. Obviously there could be an error in the votals, and so Wonk shouldn't say anything on the matter unless he's actually an Actor or voteless.

You're either taking things more serious as scum or you're back to you're townie self. As is usual I'm in no need to rush a decision on that matter, but for the moment I lean to the latter. Lastly, ST comes off as town also, although he had a very troubling unvote as Heph pointed out.

So in summary I'm thinking Heph and Wildvine, but since a lot of it depends on alignments of others I wouldn't hedge against either at the moment. Wonk would be third on my list of those that voted for me, pending the vote issue. I do agree that scum are usually hesitant to put themselves out there on a day one mislynch, but my situation has given plenty of excuse with little blame to carry so I feel like 2 were probably on me. The only issue is several members(FF, GOW, and Vette off the top of my head) haven't even been posting since then.

I already explained why I didn't feel pressured to read my PM at L-1. It wasn't something that I felt was either needed nor would have remedied the situation. There wasn't a call for me to claim, so reading the PM just so I could say(or lie) "okay yup I'm town" shouldn't have gotten me any unvotes. And actually claiming when the only "scummy" thing I've done has nothing to do with actions I may or may not be able to take could only be detrimental to town. Of course I want to stay around in the game and so I don't want to be lynched, but I felt it would be better to try and reason it out instead of buckling.

My point wasn't about your wording of winning with town and thus that making you town. You said to zarx, "all you care about is town winning." which I inferred as you knowing zarx wants town to win. That is my issue, not the things said to Stefl.(as I'd have more or less did the same dancing around the lazy, untelling question.)

Why don't you think anyone will lynch me? You think NotStan actually has a chance of being lynched? And yes I've noticed a lot about NotStan, but last round I was getting a similar read(of scum) all while he was town.

"Heph, what are the odds of us winning if we vote for no lynch today?" Absolutely nowhere here does it speak about benefiting town. Unless you're telling me that you know Heph to be town already. Further, for Heph to give you odds he'd have to know the actual setup of the round, which is(or damn well better be) impossible regardless of his alignment.

I haven't stopped explaining myself for more than maybe two posts in a row, and I doubt that will change until this day is over. That's fine, I don't mind it one bit. I am not just going to sit back and play defense though, because there are scum to find. You just so happen to have made the post that irks me the most.

Day one almost always ends in no lynch because everyone seems to carry this fear that a mislynch here is going to cost the game. That is why I talked about cutting to the chase and just getting the day over with, because it is such a chore trying to get others to be active. If most(as in even more than a simple majority) would push for lynches, you would see people trying to steer the town as a whole towards or away from lynching certain people. That type of information is very much worth trading a possible mislynch for, and especially in powered games you can see scum trying to keep the lynch off their vital roles even if it would cost a more minor role.

I'm sick and tired and I don't know how much good analysis I can do, but here are a couple of thoughts. 

At first I thought Linkzmax's tactic was interesting and maybe worth doing.  But then I thought about it and realized that if it spread, and everyone did that, it would just end up with Day 1 being a complete fucking waste of time with everyone chasing after shadows at best.  So I'm against it, and I wouldn't have been sad if Linkz went unrepentant to the gallows. 

His "second message" story is odd, but it doesn't smell like a fabrication to me. 

NotStan isn't looking too good.  zarx is participating now.  Vetteman is absent, IIRC.