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theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Linkzmax said:

Do you think a LD, a rolecop/tracker and a cop (with limitations like every other day investigations) is an impossible combo ?

Assuming things that the mod has decided is foolish, imo. We don't know the full extent of any of these roles. Maybe the LD, tracker have every other day limitations among them too ?

Why should the cop out himself to carry out something based on probabilities ?

Yes. Even with limitations it's far too much investigative power for town. An LD is just as strong as a cop. The two of them balanced as odd/even wouldn't be strange, but once you get to three powers it pushes the balance too far. Tracker isn't as powerful at finding scum as the others due to the various powers, but as we may see by the end of the game, it can confirm roles.

and if it's every other day LD/cop and scum tracker, then what?

I could certainly see that as balanced. Gives town two PRs each capable of checking alignment, but lessens the blow with a death compared to a single player. The scum tracker is a bit weaker than a role cop, but still helps scum decide who is a higher priority for a kill.(or block)

However, Stefl has given no indication of any limitation and has even said he's unsure who he should target tonight which implies no limitation. Even if that weren't the case, a half-cop claim with Stefl saying his ability only works on even/odd days(a sametime claim would be optimal for that) would point to Heph being scum, thus a cop claim netting at least one scum as I said.



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theprof00 said:
I think it was your vehement denial that you were the tracker that threw some people off, along with the fact that you said your result came "with flavor", and the fact that you took your vote off, since stefl could've always just been lying.
Although, even without mentioning the "Linkz style" portion of the "town watcher" claim, I got it. Maybe that should've been said earlier.

There never was a vehement denial of being the tracker. You did say a few times and ways that you were thinking tracker, which is why I thought it odd when you seemed to imply otherwise.



Final-Fan said:
WOW. A busy afternoon turns into a busy day and a half, sorry. I would roleclaim but I'm not sure it's a good idea with 12 hours left in the day. I expect to be awake again in time to talk before the day ends, so if anyone is going to be online who might be swayed in any direction by a name/role claim by me, you'd best speak up.

I do not believe Heph. Simple as that. It's almost as bad as when megaman said he had a daytime cop investigation, then said he "investigated though our posts". Well, no, nothing is remotely as bad as megaman's "participation" in that one game, but I still don't believe it.

There's no harm in nameclaiming, and you've already had that request by a couple of people. Why do you keep delaying it? I realize I still have yet to make an actual case against(or possibly for) you, but that actually takes time, whereas a nameclaim is seconds.

I believe Heph. The only bizarre part about it is the flavor, but it's quite reasonable to me that ABC did include flavor. I actually think it's more likely that Heph actually has the flavor wrong or ABC did eye-for-an-eye likely confirming Vette as town, and Stefl is scum than Heph being scum himself. That being said, I'm pretty sure Stefl is as Heph indicated as well.

Now given the timelimit I'm tempted to remove the vote on you, but I'm more willing to trust Heph here so the vote stays.



Oh, nameclaim, fine. U.L. Paper. Roleclaim may or may not be revealed upon request.

"Eye for an eye" doesn't make sense when BOTH the reveals are pro-town, unless you think Heph has gotten Stefl's team wrong this whole time in the face of mod info.



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Final-Fan said:
Oh, nameclaim, fine. U.L. Paper. Roleclaim may or may not be revealed upon request.

"Eye for an eye" doesn't make sense when BOTH the reveals are pro-town, unless you think Heph has gotten Stefl's team wrong this whole time in the face of mod info.



well the eye for eye theory was based on me believing vette was still mafia despite the "clean". Since then i have reduced my suspicion of him.



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I meant the quite unlikely scenario that ABC "cleared" mafia Stefl as town through flavor.

FF, what do you think of the people on your lynch and the ones avoiding Heph's lynch?



Linkzmax said:
I meant the quite unlikely scenario that ABC "cleared" mafia Stefl as town through flavor.

FF, what do you think of the people on your lynch and the ones avoiding Heph's lynch?

Oh I see, mod lies yes I would hope that is not the case because I would hate to put ABC on my "boycott game if modding" list. 

I've made considerable mistakes along the way, so I don't blame people too much for voting me. 

Looking at the scoreboard, I see that Heph has his vote on GoW, which is interesting considering the day is about to end and there is about a zero percent chance that lynch will happen.  I guess he doesn't suspect me too much after all?? 

And unless I am mistaken Stefl is the one and only person not voting anyone, which is pretty terrible if he's aware of the deadline.  But he may not be. 



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Oh, but despite my mistakes I really don't see how people can disagree that Heph has contradicted himself on a point that there is no excuse to be contradicting yourself on, namely getting flavor or not getting flavor from the mod.



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Ok guys, just wanted to mention ABC's 24 hour time limit post says it was made 23 hours ago, so get going!!!!!



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The time limit seems to be ending at a bad time. Not many people on right now.

I still am suspicious of Heph, but lynching a Tracker is not something I think I want to do, just in case he is telling the truth. I would prefer Silver-Tiger over Final-Fan, as I think today is the last day we could possibly lynch him and be wrong and not lose.

I would say that you should probably role claim Final-Fan as its coming down to the wire. Although I dont know how much good it would do without people on to change their votes.