2) I'll allow your argument to go unopposed because I don't immediately see how it would hurt the town. I believe you are wrong though.

4)Ah, I apologize for that. I read your post as "no vig nor SK".

wait, no. The basis of his vote on YOU is that he says you are confident that there was a vig. YOU are saying that, as mafia, GoW would be happy with a double lynch because if the killler is a vig and not an SK, it would result in losing two townies and end the game. You are attaching suspicion to GoW IN THE EVENT that there is no SK. You're comment is very much a comment on the SK's existence. Furthermore, even if there IS NO SK, if there is a vig then the game isn't over until the vig is dead.

What you just said is, to paraphrase, "Gow is mafia since there is no SK and he wants to kill two townies". You think I'm the SK. In your mind, you should be thinking that I'm the SK, and this scenario could not possibly exist. Therefore GoW could not be leveraging to kill two townies in order for a scum win. Your point just doesn't make sense if you believe I'm the SK.

And no, I'm not wrong. No matter what is in place, a double lynch is not end game because your argument was based on there being 3 mafia, not 2. But don't let that stop you from AGAIN using only parts of arguments to justify other ones. You JUST said that given gow is mafia and wants to double lynch and there are 3 mafia, game is over. Now you say, 2v2v1, listing only 2 mafia.

He has given two contradicting stories about how he got the info in the italicized statement.  (Post detective or ABC information.)  There are two explanations for this:  he told us the wrong thing by mistake, or he's lying and his only mistake was to get caught changing his story.  I don't buy that he'd mistakenly tell us that he (Thing 1) when he actually (Thing 2) in this case. 

There are mistakes, and there are mistakes that don't make any sense unless you're scum.  This is the latter. 

OK, well apparently the update caught me at a bad time (for maximum downtime) but I'm back and caught up. I'm busy today but I'll probably claim, it's not something I want to just blurt out on my way out the door thought so you'll have to wait.

Damn, I lost a big ass post that I started last night and I have a ton of catching up to do, but no time to do it now. Skimmed through the thread a bit and noticed a bit of talk about a double lynch. ABC already mentioned that won't happen. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4061922

FF the heat doesn't really seem to be on you right now, so I don't think a claim is necessary. Your call though.

the thing that's been requiered of him though is a nameclaim (by GoW)... something ABC said is not necessarely indicative of faction. Still nameclaims can always be interesting... stefl has experience with that =)

(this is separate as really i'm starting to get enoyed (starting? heh))

You said this (copy paste)

"4. You know that even a regular mislynch would also mean mafia wins tomorrow, right? What happened to your thoughts that I was the SK? Now there's no SK so long as it suits your own arguments?"

I answer by this:

"moreover you're wrong, with an SK in play the worst case scenario is 2vs2vs1 so still fully winnable for town."

and you reply by this:

"And no, I'm not wrong. No matter what is in place, a double lynch is not end game because your argument was based on there being 3 mafia, not 2."

I mean really...

TOWNIES who read this... am I the only one thinking there is something off in this sequence of statements? or is it me who has trouble understanding english? cause really since the begining of day 2, I feel that my discutions with Proff, some with FF and a few with GoW have been just that... me saying one thing... and getting a reply that has noting to do with what I said.

now for the rest of whatever is in there.

1) even if GoW is mafia he has no way of knowing whether it's a vig or an SK, but he assumes I know and vote accordingly. His confidence that I know, if he is mafia, could just be a translation of his confidence and therefore his desire to double lynch could be a desire to win the game directly (or at worst tie as the question day one was presented to ABC). Since his accusation is on the hypothesis that I believe there is a vig, my answer uses the hypothesis that he believes it himself. If there is an SK and not a vig, the suspicion on him is the same, but his goal is simply flawed. Moreover, you brought up a mafia role blocker, so no, the game can be over before the vig dies, if the mafia blocks the vig one night, they will know who to block all night... and just win the following nights.

2) I love your paraphrases, it's more "prof rewritting what other people said taking creative liberties with the actual meaning of their sentences". I'm not saying there are no SKs, i'm not saying either that I am infaillible. I suspect you and I suspect Gow... but I also suspect FF and believe one of the sibling has to be scum, so in essence, I have one too many suspect. Moreover, the presence of a vig would move your actions from motivated to ununderstandable, doesn't mean you can't be regular mafia. As I said, i don't have the pretention to be infaillible.

WOW, no one is dead yet? Seriously? How can you people not make up your mind? This day needs to end.