Silver-Tiger said:
Considering Heph's statement and the recent discussion, I'm willing to vote for him. I've read comments of him again and to me he comes off as scum now.
Day 1: jokeposts between him and Wildvine:
| so your role is janitor ^^
had one last game so it could make sense :p
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Not much to see at that moment, but considering now, it could be a clue.
Later, in response to ABC:
| this does not say if evil dudes are not the evil team while regular bad guys are the "town", so GoW still has a point.
all it says is that there will be some suprises if we just go by names to lynch
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Correct, but might as well warn town players to lynch by names. Could lead to a fake nameclaim that is evil, but "hey, we shouldn't just go by names!"
| Vote: Linkz
though I got angry for people voting on playstyles in the past, this is not playstyle, it's just plain not playing... and I don't see why you have to advertize it so often, it basically loses any strategic aspect it could have (that you may unknowingly distance yourself from scumbuddies or blattantly make a connection that we just react to by saying "no that's too obvious").... so really there is no stategy in this and it's just for your personal fun by depriving the others of a decent first day...
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Is instantly on him for not reading his PM. The least I would expect to actually ask him on that before vote, though that I could apologize becasue he didn't have the info i had on Linkz. Still, I don't vote, before getting more information on someone.
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should I remind you of my remark late last round?
if it were not for the first day no lynch, there would not have been a last day (and the target of choice having been ABC day one, we definitely would have lost sooner).
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he was for day one lynch... interesting. Fitted you perfectly, the mislynch, right? Still, lynching day one is not always scum tell. So let's look further.
| that's L-1.... although I feel this has been very rushed and some players have not come much on yet... I just can't shake the legitimacy of the complain.
However, considering Linkz being a high profile player and that the mafia would be all too happy of a day one free linkz lynch..
Vote: UNVOTE
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quick unvote before hammer. Form my experience, scum avoid the hammervote and often unvote before the hammer to not look scum.
| ? i don't want an unknowibg hammer.
linkz has barely spoken yet and some players did not adress the subject.
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huh? but you were quick to vote for him before he has addressed the subject. See 3 points above.
My vote is not on you lying, as you had no reason to lie on this, it's for basically disregarding the actual game and play your own little game on the side. This is day one and it is the day where you can allow yourself votes with less substance... but this reason is a pretty good substance to vote on and not regret it whatever the outcome.
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That contradicts your unvote on him. And not regret the outcome? You're willing to lynch a possible town palyer based on his playstyle? If that's not scum tell, I don't know.
| last game we could not have foreseen there was siblings, a survivor, a mafia backup, a delayed kill... all these are factors that make calculations wrong. The only thing i'm sure is that no lynch = 1/2 dead townie... provided there is only one mafia kill (other kills can hit mafia too). |
Wrong. A mislynch on day one is two sure dead townies, one mislynch and one night kill.
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Whether you like it or not, most of the time this results in a no lynch or mislynch, in rare intances does it get the correct lynch, I could have hammered Linkz, but decided against it.
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1) you just saved yourself from a Radish self incriminating statement (I always!)
2) Thank you for pointing that connection between you two.
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There were no connection between him and Linkz. Pointing out things that aren't there... trying to divert the attention?
Now, in response to Wonk outing himself:
| I now had time to go back and check the votals.... so i'll say this.
How does outing wonk help the town? it doesn't.
How does it help the scum? they won't have to loose a kill at trying to get to him.
Now linkz i'm voting back on you for this first blow you gave the town... you basically killed a townie by depriving wonk of the ability to make himself a marthyr. Oh sure you'll say that as scum you could have waited the night to tell your mates, but no, you needed the confirmation on his role and not just give him a free pass.
Moreover, it's nice and all that people complain you didn't check your PM at L-1... whatever. What buggs me is your "warning message" cause apparently now you know that you're town... oh yeah so what is your reason now for not reading your PM? the only reason left that makes sense is to not see the names of your scumbuddies.
Vote: Linkz
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Ok i'm enoyed that Linkz and Proff keep on saying you look town. You don't look town one bit to me. Sure your usual scum tell is lurking... but to me it seems more that you're on a roll from last game where you had a surge of activity while pretending to be Maes.
That said, you didn't slip yet but I wanted it voiced (since i'm attacking 2 people I have a strong sense of scum on.... ah! crazy first day making us focus on active people rather than inactive ones), so only a FoS
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He posted this after Stefl HoSed Wonk. It's funny you think Stefl was scum based on..nothing.
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What?
I voted first. I unvoted First (at what seemed as L-1, but apparently was L-2 because of Wonk, I didn't like the speed by which the lynch was gathering support).
Proff is the one that was 4th and 4th, hence why i'm turning his "tipping point" voter theory on him.
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So you didn't like the speed the lynch was gathering support? What do you expect when you vote for somebody? You vote for him yet you don't want him lynched? What's the deal?
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Taking note.
NotStan belives there are powerfull and less powerfull townies.
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Taking note.
Heph believes that obvious statements are worth noting.
Trying to divert again?
Then, he commented on my analysis:
| (on your analysis, the only thing I disagree is your last point on Stefl, to me wonk can't be considered as a confirmed townie... as he has no weight on the game besides his voice) |
Funny that you agree with everything except Stefl. I said that I'm sure that Linkz is town. Didn't you vote for Linkz, yet you agree with me?
| umh interesting ^^ (gain trust through guidance), so let's see Professor.
the way it looks to me here is that you try to be on the train, but not be noticable about it. hop on 4th ok. Then it loses momentum, you don't want to be the last one there either so you hop out where there's 3 people left.
Now why the combination, well Scumbudies could want to be on the lynch of each other yet not be too obvious about it. So yes a mafia could both want to lynch the buddy, as they will look good (especially on linkz) but they would also have the desire to not push the lynch if it's not needed.
It is true however that you professed your desire to lynch him (yet still have not revoted), and thus not putting weight on his lynch has the only effect of not leaving a lasting print on it.
I can see only one role for you, and it would explain many of your earlier posts (with), as well as the duality of creating connections with linkz and want his lynch. (and if i weren't lazy i'd look at a connection on linkz joining you on the NotStan vote as a consequence too).
I'm also gonna take this as your laid back approach to this round and let it play out, for educational purposes ^^.
(oh yeah I probably completely missread you :p but hell my interpretation is more fun to me at least ^^)
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..and so you completely destroy your own point. tell me what you want, but you don't write such a big-ass theory just to end it with "oh yeah, I'm probably completely wrong". You have more in mind, like painting a bad picture on prof. Just a theory, though, I'm probably completely wrong, duh.
On my trust on linkz:
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(Enlarged text so it would be easier to read)
I'm not sure I really like your trust, but right now I need to take every ally I can get to not be lynched. On a similar note, though I think he's scum, NotStan seems unwilling to vote for me, so for self-preservation I shouldn't be trying to get him lynched or he'll be forced to vote me for his own sake.
Unvote
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Heph:
Two way connection... interesting.
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interesting that you need to point it out. everyone should have noticed that, there was no need to point it out. You want that people look into both of us more, and that at a point were the discussion focussed on Vette.
Linkz said this:
| If I'm not being lynched today, he needs to go. If I do get lynched today, and once again I strongly urge pro-town players to condiser hammering me, then tighten the noose day two. I'd go far as telling the vig, if there is one, that they should shoot him tonight if they trust me or if I flip at twilight/evening instead of in the morning. |
heph respondedon point tjree:
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3) Agreed, the Vig should take out Vette, "Ah, I see now" is a weak enough defence on accusations to warrant that.
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fits you perfectly, right? If he's scum, you distanced from him. If he's town, even better for you, one townie less you scum have to kill. And you can't even be blamed for that, since you didn't do the kill. (unless under magical circumstances you are a vig)
| besides the fact that I think you're scum, a vigilante has a high chance of hitting a townie, so targeting a player that is likely scum, even if he ends up townie, is still more beneficial to the town than a random townie. (it saves the town the headacke of focussing on him and the potential loss of a misslynch token). |
Explain how in any way a vig killing a town player is beneficial.
Then, on the votes:
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Stefl, why do you think Linkz is town so much? I mean look if he's town he has been at L-1 more than once... yet all 3 of your most wanted are not voting on him, not hammering him. That's a severe contradition in your judgement.
Linkz your most trusted townie (/2 so really unless he was mod confirmed, you couldn't trust him more)
Zarx, ST, NotStan your scums (you even made a gap in /5 and even if you say .5 gap it's still a 5.5)
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trying to convince Stefl to vote Linkz for a mislynch, eh?
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I mean that my lynching standards are different for day one than other days ^^
I could lynch notstan and ST today, but to lynch them on other days I would need a more tangible proof of their scuminess.
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You comment on Stefl's judgement, yet your most likely lynch candidates were Linkz, notStan, and me.
I see your point on Linkz, but Linkz is cleared for me, notStan flipped town, and I know I'm town.
Interesting.
When Linkz said:
| Nothing's changed since I read my PM. I do not know ST's alignment, but his whole behavior towards me leads me to think he is the most probable town, besides myself and Wonk. His not wanting to say more because it would give scum information also makes sense to me. If he and I are both alive tomorrow I'm certain I could get a definitie enough read that I wouldn't be further swayed.(By behavior, not a day/night action) |
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Heph said:
you just rulled out Massons and siblings (town).... so that means there is really no reason for ST to "hint" anything about you as we did not have a night and therefore he doesn't have priviledged information (the only town roles that could are the ones you just dismissed).
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VERY quick to dismiss me before I couldn't even comment. Again. Didn't you already do that on Linkz?
Vote: Hephaestos
More to come.
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