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Final-Fan on 02 June 2011
Hephaestos said:
Final-Fan said:

Let's take this step by step: 

1.  Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked Trucks if he was a townie, Trucks answered and at Dawn, Stefl knew.
The statement in question. 

2.  "What did I missinterpret? I thought my flavor said that stefl thought trucks asked too many questions..."
This refers to "your flavor" making you think about stefl asking too many questions.  The italicized statement is also about asking questions, even though I am bewildered at how you could interpret it that way.  So this is evidence, perhaps, that it's paraphrased; but it is also very definitely evidence that the italicized is NOT your own conclusion but information that was GIVEN to you, as "flavor", by ABC. 

3.  Also, if your flavor is talking about people asking questions, that goes WAY WAY beyond the only pro-town role that I can see it making sense for you to have, which is tracker. 

(@ Linkz:  I hope that's not the one that was so clear to you, on account of it totally not explaining all this other shit.) 

4.  I can even kind of see why you'd think Stefl was mafia with that flavor if carelessly read.  "At dawn, Stefl knew" could possibly be interpreted as flavor dark humor for "Stefl killed him and he flipped".  But that's not important AFAIK.  If you think it's important how exactly you misread the info you got, and I've got it wrong, then feel free to enlighten me. 

2 ! ! ! ! ! ! (BOLD)

3 wtf?

4 feel free to actually read the thread, i'm not making 50 new posts for the poor townies to read because a scum decided to join other scum's crusades ^^

2.  Well, yes, that is a nonsense statement.  But when you realized your mistake, you went to Stefl being the one asking questions.  Like GOW said, "Stefl asked questions that were hilariously stupid" etc. 

(@ GOW:  I can see why that would cue someone in to the LD role, but IMO it's a stretch if they didn't even know about the existence of that role.  I wouldn't be expecting ABC to invent roles.) 

3.  Please explain your objection to this point.  Do you not understand how I could think you were the tracker?  It was because, if "that statement" wasn't info given to you by ABC as a result of your role, then it makes sense that you followed Stefl, saw he targeted TOS, and jumped to the conclusion that he was mafia.  But that statement exists, and I think your denial that it was a result given to you by your ability is backpedaling. 

4.  ...other scum's crusades??



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Final-Fan on 02 June 2011

Just, people:  I've made mistakes and you can think whatever you want about me.  But Heph is lying, blatantly.  I'm willing to do GOW's plan.  Lynch him today and if he's not scum then lynch me.  I'm betting my life on it. 

I KNOW he's lying, and I'm sure he's scum. 

Oh, but one thing.  If Heph does flip scum, I don't think that implies Stefl is scum. 



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Vetteman94 on 02 June 2011
Final-Fan said:

Just, people:  I've made mistakes and you can think whatever you want about me.  But Heph is lying, blatantly.  I'm willing to do GOW's plan.  Lynch him today and if he's not scum then lynch me.  I'm betting my life on it. 

I KNOW he's lying, and I'm sure he's scum. 

Oh, but one thing.  If Heph does flip scum, I don't think that implies Stefl is scum. 

I agree with this plan,  except I would rather it be Silver-Tiger tomorrow



Hephaestos on 02 June 2011

of course you two agree... you already voted me ^^ OHHHhhhhh......



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Linkzmax on 02 June 2011
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

 

that wouldn't matter since cops can't check SKs

 

Hephaestos said:

 

theprof00 said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Oops, forgot to comment on the bolded and numbered part.

1. That was how I interpreted it when I looked at it again..Obviously, you wouldn't point it out to the town if that was the case, no ?

Also, I'm gonna be looking into the thread to see who thought there was the possibility of being a SK...if there is a 2 man scum team in a 13 man game, then they'd obviously assume that there'd be a SK or another mafia faction. Especially if they were on wildvine's team.

No, I would not lie about my role since that claim was preceded by "just in case there is a LD, they can check this"

Well, you knew he wouldn't be able to check you since you're the SK.

  
   

amirite guys?
where the hell does that quote come from? there's no post from me between your two posts....


lol, what are you acting offended for? It's called a joke.

Gawd, you'll really jump on ANYTHING...so desperate.

Stop spamming. Seriously though, much of the conversation between the two of you comes off as bickering. There is a lot of bad arguements from both of you, and a lot is based on the bad stuff from the other. That's not to say that there isn't valid points against both of you, but I don't see how continuing like this helps push a lynch at all.



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Linkzmax on 02 June 2011
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:

If too many assume there is one, it opens the door for an easy scum fakeclaim. An LD claim does not mean there won't be a cop claim; however, both are not going to exist in a game this small. A cop claim nets one(or possibly two) scum now when there is more room for error to get a confirmation,(through lynching) instead of possibly being in a situation tomorrow where the lynch has to be right. I've never liked claims at lylo/mylo.

What's with you trying to stay alive for the night? You've asked for doc protection and claimed vanilla. You're far from obvtown, so what makes you think you'd be such a target?

I am the only one with a vote to say the cop should come out if he exists, but I was agreeing with Wonk. What two and two is there to put together? If I'm scum then I already know if Heph and/or Stefl are town and thus actually 'Heph's role' and LD, so I'd know if there probably is a cop or not and would already have all the information needed to decide tonight's actions.(Though a mafia lynch would change things in that case)

I say an SK should always kill and I always would choose to do so if I ever landed the role and was given an option. It's not about balance(other factions need to be balanced around that) but about giving townies enough information to find the SK. But my belief doesn't mean that if ABC included an SK he's forcing them to kill every night nor does it mean the kill wasn't blocked by an RB or saved by a doc.

I was hoping for a desperate fakeclaim actually, but thanks for making sure that no stone goes underturned.

I may not be obvtown, and wasn't really expecting to be protected, but thanks for making sure everyone understands that I won't and shouldn't be. I was hoping for lack of scum confidence, rather than actual protection.

ALthough, I guess you're right that mafia would understand there is no cop as long as you were around to let them know that there can't be one.

Why ask questions if you don't want the answers? Why make accusations that you should know I'll shoot down because they don't make sense?



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GodOfWar_3ever on 02 June 2011

@Jacob

Whats up breda ? 

How about the same from you FF ?

I'd like to see what stefl, linkz and st have to say about my lynch plan.



theprof00 on 02 June 2011
Linkzmax said:

Why ask questions if you don't want the answers? Why make accusations that you should know I'll shoot down because they don't make sense?


i asked no question regarding that.

I made no accusation knowing you'd shoot them down. If I were a cop and said that didn't think someone was suspicious, I would expect you to acknowledge the possibility that I could be cop. Conversely, I'd expect that if I were regular townie, you'd do the same. A little questioning of the idea here and there is fine, but determined argument comes off as some kind of leadership, and that makes me nervous.

Additionally, if I were mafia claiming that I didn't think someone was mafia, I'd still expect you to think that I may be a cop.

In the same vain, I'd expect that when I say things that aren't harmful to town, you'd give me a little leeway. If it became a real problem, like the idea became harmful in a way that it could end up intefering which lynch candidates, then I would expect your questioning, and accept it, and respond in kind.



Stefl1504 on 03 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:

@Jacob

Whats up breda ? 

How about the same from you FF ?

I'd like to see what stefl, linkz and st have to say about my lynch plan.

Actually I still have problems finding out who to investigate tonight - and I already told you that I don't really think heph should be lynched, but I am so insecure about the whole situation as someone could be, what I really find interesting is this:

Final-Fan said:

Just, people:  I've made mistakes and you can think whatever you want about me.  But Heph is lying, blatantly.  I'm willing to do GOW's plan.  Lynch him today and if he's not scum then lynch me.  I'm betting my life on it. 

I KNOW he's lying, and I'm sure he's scum. 

Oh, but one thing.  If Heph does flip scum, I don't think that implies Stefl is scum. 

HOW do you know he is lying and whats is his lie specifically.



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GodOfWar_3ever on 03 June 2011

I find it odd that Silver-Tiger comments on news pages, but doesn't make a contribution here. Its almost as if he knows he is in the clear because most of the town has 0 suspicion on him. 

Don't you guys find his behaviour on day 2 odd ? Making excuses about catching up to the thread, not making contributions, acting pissed...and this ?

WTF ST ? WTF ?