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plus GOW just pushed for the idea of a double lynch. How townie is that? sounds more like scum trying to win in one night to me.



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Wonktonodi said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Linkzmax said:

Do you think a LD, a rolecop/tracker and a cop (with limitations like every other day investigations) is an impossible combo ?

Assuming things that the mod has decided is foolish, imo. We don't know the full extent of any of these roles. Maybe the LD, tracker have every other day limitations among them too ?

Why should the cop out himself to carry out something based on probabilities ?

Hephaestos said:

Say, how many games have you played here? how many had SKs or Vig? so yeah it's very unatural for people to even dare mention them...

A few...definitely not all. SF game, the game I made and the DBZ one. 

Mentioning SK/Vig isn't out of the ordinary...You always twist things I try to say, don't you ? But being almost sure that one exists...and even prioritizing on the vig, makes you look bad. I'd pin you for wildvine's scumbuddy for that.

You say vig (hypothesis) once then onwards you don't even think of the possibility of there not being one. 

Wonktonodi said:

I'm too tired to be making much of a case right now and don't have the time to put much together, but here is something. Profs weird connections with GOW had me paying more attention to GOW.

Things that have bothered me

1 the connection with prof with how easily he though prof was town

2 his thinking there still is a cop out there and not wanting the cop to claim

3. his focusing so much on wildvines lurking but iirc not anylising wv's post like he did for zarx

4. his asking heph to explain something that was in the first posts of the day, especially (iirc) after he was one to understand hephs role.

and now time to crash

1. Prof, when scum  does retarded things..Things like pretending to be drunk to vote for someone. Based on his actions on day 2, he looks town to me. Its just instinct.

2. I see no reason why the cop should claim, because he would lose control on who he wants to investigate. The cop coming forward when 2 investigative roles (if both claims are true) would out all the investigative roles to the mafia. As I've said, we don't know any limitations of the powers in question...So 3 investigative roles, each with a different function, with god knows what as limitations is possible. Most of this BS for the cop to come out is because some people are pompous enough to believe that they're always right, because there can't be a LD,a cop and a tracker. No sir.

3. I've explained this before. When I was going to do one for Wildvine, the possibility of him being modkilled arose. I did one for Vetteman too..but that got interrupted by the time limit and had to wait till day 2.

4. The turn of events that occured wasn't the turn of events that I remembered. I thought stefl said something like "shit, why did ToS  have to die..I knew he was pro-town" before heph implied that Stefl had visited ToS. Obviously that wasn't the case. Me figuring out heph's role was due to his swift vote/unvote on Stefl.

Crazy idea - Final-Fan/Heph double lynch with 4 votes each ? I'm convinced that one or more of the three (including vetteman) is scum.  What does everyone think ?


2. 3 investigative roles even with some hinderances would be way too much for the town. That is 3 people that the scum would have to take out to stop investigations. Even if there were every other day. THe more you say there could be 3 the more I think you  are setting us up for a scum face claim. If there is a cop. Heph could very well be a scum traker. Even if the cop was randomized he would still be useful and get a result.

3. that could be true or could be you just didn't do it on a scum mate and were only trying to get him to post more before but not get him lynched

4. I find if funny you are after FF for not fully reading your long ass post when you misread the first few posts of the day that were short.

2. Its assumed that the mafia had a hider, and a roleblocker for balance. The hider and roleblocker probably wouldn't be doing the killing because they have other night actions, so heph (if not lying) can't follow either of them to a kill target. 

3. It was obvious wildvine would've been the next choice for a lynch when notstan asked to be modkilled. It was I that pointed out to the mod that wildvine had not posted for 3 days, and that he should be modkilled. If I was trying to get him to post more, I wouldn't have asked him to be modkilled, now would I ?

4. I didn't misread..I misremembered. Just a memory lapse. 

Wonktonodi said:

plus GOW just pushed for the idea of a double lynch. How townie is that? sounds more like scum trying to win in one night to me.

Really ? FF and Heph are suspected evenly by the players remaining.. We've been sitting ducks for nearly a week now (since my rugby trip)... Both players have a chance of being scum imo, and I'm convinced that atleast one of them is. Care to tell me how a double lynch today means that we lose the game ? 

Wonktonodi said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Final-Fan said:

2.  OK, upon reviewing the thread, I don't really know what to say about how hard I dropped the ball on the GoW post.  I thought I'd read the whole post, and just skimmed the part where GoW made his argument or something, but apparently I just fucking skipped the last third of the post somehow.  My only excuse is that I was doing two or three other things at the same time, but there's really no good reason for it.  But that's what happened.  You can vote me if it's unforgivable, or if you really think my inattention points to me being scum, which it doesn't. 

3.  It occurs to me that I could do a better job than I have done of articulating my suspicions of Heph.  For instance, a while ago prof said something like "Heph said he was given the flavor to make up for ABC's clearing Vette".  I don't know why I didn't see fit to respond to this before.  What the hell kind of sense does that make?  ABC gives the town information, and makes up for it by giving the town even MORE information?  It would make more sense if information was given to the mafia.  Which is what I believe Heph is.  

2. As I've said before, making excuses outside of the game (like zarx), and not paying full attention (like silver-tiger) is scum tell to me.

3. I would think so too, but ABC has been interfering with the game often...with that claim about role PMs and if linkz is to be believed, his 2nd PM.


2 and what did you do in the post right before this you blamed a timezone.

Uh no...don't think you understand. At the start of day 2, and throughout day 1, I'd wake up to find 100 plus posts to read. Sometimes even more. I'd start reading through something interesting, which would get more or less resolved, and people come to a conclusion by the time I finish reading all posts. (Ex/The Vette PM situation on day one was discovered, and ABC posted the clarification that made people back out. All this happened before I could catch up properly.) So its a reason that concerns the game.



Heph, I'm just going to ask again;

What was the italicized sentence about? Is this your actual flavor or is it a "hint" to us?

Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked trucks alignment and at dawn he knew.


 

 



theprof00 said:

Heph, I'm just going to ask again;

What was the italicized sentence about? Is this your actual flavor or is it a "hint" to us?

Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked trucks alignment and at dawn he knew.


 

 

your kidding right?

this is my answer to what stefl's role is, as per indicated by the 10 previous posts (stefl saying he didn't mind too much, FF requesting it... and iirc you too... which makes it wierd that you don't remember it).



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Heph, I'm just going to ask again;

What was the italicized sentence about? Is this your actual flavor or is it a "hint" to us?

Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked trucks alignment and at dawn he knew.


 

 

your kidding right?

this is my answer to what stefl's role is, as per indicated by the 10 previous posts (stefl saying he didn't mind too much, FF requesting it... and iirc you too... which makes it wierd that you don't remember it).

I didn't forget. I've been asking you this question and you've been avoiding it.

Why did you write it like that? Actually, it was Linkz who asked if the italicized was your flavor paraphrased. I've also asked you what is EXACTLY was. I know it's your answer to what stefl's role is, but is that paraphrased flavor, or just you being dramatic for no reason whatsoever?



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theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

Heph, I'm just going to ask again;

What was the italicized sentence about? Is this your actual flavor or is it a "hint" to us?

Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked trucks alignment and at dawn he knew.


 

 

your kidding right?

this is my answer to what stefl's role is, as per indicated by the 10 previous posts (stefl saying he didn't mind too much, FF requesting it... and iirc you too... which makes it wierd that you don't remember it).

I didn't forget. I've been asking you this question and you've been avoiding it.

Why did you write it like that? Actually, it was Linkz who asked if the italicized was your flavor paraphrased. I've also asked you what is EXACTLY was. I know it's your answer to what stefl's role is, but is that paraphrased flavor, or just you being dramatic for no reason whatsoever?

i don't have mafia wiki in my head, I figured what his role does, but not if he has other abilities and such. this is what I figured out. My statements implies directly that the only aspect of his role I know is that he was able to check trucks trough a question to which trucks replied, this also means that I know no limitations and assume that it is direct questions, hence why i've been asking for more of him all day.

so putting the "big" reveal of the begining of the day in ittalic is being overdramatic? I thought it was just being clear ^^



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Hephaestos said:
Final-Fan said:

3.  It occurs to me that I could do a better job than I have done of articulating my suspicions of Heph.  For instance, a while ago prof said something like "Heph said he was given the flavor to make up for ABC's clearing Vette".  I don't know why I didn't see fit to respond to this before.  What the hell kind of sense does that make?  ABC gives the town information, and makes up for it by giving the town even MORE information?  It would make more sense if information was given to the mafia.  Which is what I believe Heph is. 

yeah... comment on prof's paraphrase of me and not my actual words.... (and then you wonder why i'm pissed at prof's fake quote of me...a "joke").

"Heph said theorized that he was given the flavor to make up for ABC's clearing Vette when Vette was actually mafia and the lynch was going in the right direction, therefore avoiding the misslynch of stefl to compensate the missed lynch of vette"

that's the full meaning of my post (that I didn't bother digging out). In any case, this was before Vette reacted today and gave what I consider a good read of himself, so i'd consider my theory false.

So now we're back to you claiming that the italicized statement referenced in the posts prof just made was given to you by ABC for no apparent reason even though it doesn't have anything to do with your role.  Correct? 

I don't buy it.  In fact, I even dreamed up a role explaining it right now that I ALSO don't buy. 



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Hephaestos said:

i don't have mafia wiki in my head, I figured what his role does, but not if he has other abilities and such. this is what I figured out. My statements implies directly that the only aspect of his role I know is that he was able to check trucks trough a question to which trucks replied, this also means that I know no limitations and assume that it is direct questions, hence why i've been asking for more of him all day.

so putting the "big" reveal of the begining of the day in ittalic is being overdramatic? I thought it was just being clear ^^

WAIT WHAT

Now you're saying that this was something you deduced, and you just allowed this clusterfuck to drag on all this time?  Or are you going to claim you didn't know we thought you had claimed it was actual information given to you by ABC? 



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In some ways it kind of makes sense.  I almost remember posts of his consistent with the "deduction" interpretation. 

In other ways, it's complerely ridiculous that this should ever happen and I suspect he's scum backing out of giving us his mafia role cop result. 

I'll check back to the day's early posts. 



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Final-Fan said:
Hephaestos said:

i don't have mafia wiki in my head, I figured what his role does, but not if he has other abilities and such. this is what I figured out. My statements implies directly that the only aspect of his role I know is that he was able to check trucks trough a question to which trucks replied, this also means that I know no limitations and assume that it is direct questions, hence why i've been asking for more of him all day.

so putting the "big" reveal of the begining of the day in ittalic is being overdramatic? I thought it was just being clear ^^

WAIT WHAT

Now you're saying that this was something you deduced, and you just allowed this clusterfuck to drag on all this time?  Or are you going to claim you didn't know we thought you had claimed it was actual information given to you by ABC? 

did you read any of my posts of the past 5 days? if this was what ABC gave me, how in the world could I have missunderstood it and thought it meant "trucks asks too many questions, shoot him". Moreover this post came a few posts after you asked me to reveal the role, so you should really have reacted then and not now. I always said I deduced the role and that the flavor helped me after I initially dismissed it.

you and prof are playing the "oh but you should have said sooner game" when i've spent 3 days explaining things already. Even if you're mafia playing dumb, it's beyond enoying, at least push for my vote and don't make me suffer a week of answering the same questions over and over again ^^.



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