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NotStan on 15 May 2011
theprof00 said:

Yeah, my one problem is "why say anything about it".

I also dislike the use of "I said in the signups that I would".

So it's a double bagger for me. I'm willing to put some pressure on that. Let's see what happens.

unvote

vote linkz

Yeah but what guarantee is there that what he says is true now? Now that he's aware that there is pressure applied on him and he opens the PM, if it even cites scum he'd still claim town. I think his next claim of his alignment will be pointless, short of roleclaiming - in which case incurring penalty.



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Stefl1504 on 15 May 2011

Okay... now my thoughts on the linkz story and why we should NOT lynch him yet:

1. Some players haven't even made one post - not even saying they are here

2. I know that it likely that a some people of the mafia team might already be on him, but don't make it a to easy lynch

3. Since he does not know his role... we should think about why he even admitted to not knowing it... admitting it is so scum and so town at the same time I don't really know what to think of him... but considering that something like this destroys the spirit of the game... well yeah, its worth lynching...

4. Now completly off topic: Can anybody explain me why it feels like FF XIIIs ending was the worst ending ever ;P



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Stefl1504 on 15 May 2011
NotStan said:
theprof00 said:

Yeah, my one problem is "why say anything about it".

I also dislike the use of "I said in the signups that I would".

So it's a double bagger for me. I'm willing to put some pressure on that. Let's see what happens.

unvote

vote linkz

Yeah but what guarantee is there that what he says is true now? Now that he's aware that there is pressure applied on him and he opens the PM, if it even cites scum he'd still claim town. I think his next claim of his alignment will be pointless, short of roleclaiming - in which case incurring penalty.

of course anything he says as off his claim to not know his role, will be disbelieved...



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Silver-Tiger on 15 May 2011

Vote Linkz

I can not imagine how not reading his PM is helpful in any way, especially from an experienced player like Linkz. He should have no problem not revealing anything of his role.

It doesn't matter which side he is on. He hurts the town because he doesn't know his possible power role and connections. If he is a mason he doesn't know to look for clues for that. If he is a sibling, he doesn't know who his partner is. For example, chances are very high somebody has the role of Niko Bellic, and the power role sibling, with Roman as his brother. When Roman dies, Niko dies, too. I for one would like to know that BEFORE night 1.

If he's scum, he could try to lynchvote somebody day 1. he would need to defend himself for the vote, but that counts for anybody who votes, town or scum.

The fact that he even mentions not reading his PM makes him just more suspicious. Why would you need to mention it here, just do it and be fine with it, but the need to tell it everybody makes me thoughtful.



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Baalzamon on 15 May 2011
Votes to Lynch: Player Name: L-6 L-5 L-4 L-3 L-2
L-2 Linkz Heph Truck Wildvine Prof SilverTiger
L-6 Zarx Stefl - - - -
L-6 Wildvine Final-Fan - - - -
L-6 SilverTiger GodofWar - - - -

Unvotes:

Truck: Prof

NotStan: Prof

GodofWar: Stefl

With 13 players, 7 votes will result in a lynch.

**Edited to include SilverTiger's vote



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theprof00 on 15 May 2011

I would ask everyone to refrain talking about roles at all until he claims. Don't mention anything. If someone does, ignore them. They are mafia.



TruckOSaurus on 15 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

It can benefit town just as much as it's possible to benefit scum. If I knew I was a pro-town sibling last round I may have tried to suicide day one thinking I could take out a scum with me, but I do know I would have played vastly different and I have no idea what you, prof, and Stefl would've made of a difference. As it played out you guys made zero mention of me the first night.

So yes I assume by odds that I'm a townie, but by not reading my role I can avoid giving any possible power tells to scum.

Apart from you being a Mason with links to other players, I don't see that many power roles that give out power tells on Day One. Cop, doctor, tracker, watcher, lie detector, vigilante, they are just as clueless as any other townie on Day One.



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Hephaestos on 15 May 2011
Linkzmax said:

Who said I'm waiting to play? I'll be doing a lot of scumhunting today, but the "cut to the chase and vote no lynch" was a drunken jab at last round because everybody wanted to let night actions get things started.

should I remind you of my remark late last round?

if it were not for the first day no lynch, there would not have been a last day (and the target of choice having been ABC day one, we definitely would have lost sooner).



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Hephaestos on 15 May 2011
Wonktonodi said:
Linkzmax said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Linkzmax said:

I haven't read the thread yet, and as I mentioned in the quicktopic last round I won't be reading my role until the first night. Will we actually be lynching today or should I just cut to the chase and vote no lynch?

I don't see how this would benefit anyone other than scum. Not reading your PM means you'll be going through Day One assuming you're a townie until you read your PM at night so if you're really a townie it's the same as if you had actually read it.

If you're scum though, it prevents you from acting differently to your scummates kinda giving you a head start. Also, it allows you to start Day Two knowing which one of your team mates townie-Linkz would have been suspicious of, knowing which townie gave Townie-Linkz a scum vibe so you can "honestly" push for his lynch.

Since I see this as a scum tactic, I'll do my best to stop it now:

Vote: Linkzmax

It can benefit town just as much as it's possible to benefit scum. If I knew I was a pro-town sibling last round I may have tried to suicide day one thinking I could take out a scum with me, but I do know I would have played vastly different and I have no idea what you, prof, and Stefl would've made of a difference. As it played out you guys made zero mention of me the first night.

So yes I assume by odds that I'm a townie, but by not reading my role I can avoid giving any possible power tells to scum.

However you might accidentally give away a role like a voting role. If you have something like hephs you could help the mafia team by them knowing you could only hammer. plus if you don't read it you won't get any other messages from ABC if you are going to be penalized.

HoS Linkz

actually last round I was authorised to fake vote, but as soon as I did, it appears that Hat realized how it would be a givaway and asked me to unvote. If I had read none of my PMs day one, I would have kept my vote on you and thereby breaking the rules of the game....



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Linkzmax on 15 May 2011
theprof00 said:

I don't know how I feel about Linkz doing it, but the last time someone did this, they were mafia. It was dsister.

Incorrect. The last time someone did this I was a townie.



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