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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011

yeah i read your post and all you did is dig up what prof wanted you to.

he noticed the hider thing but waited for you to point it out? why?

because like this he can point you (or whoever else had found it) to think you yourself arrived to the conclusion of a definite third party... and look at people mentioning them with suspicion.

Say, how many games have you played here? how many had SKs or Vig? so yeah it's very unatural for people to even dare mention them...

in any case, he made you waist an good 20 mins on that research ^^



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

and see the irony in this.

Please prove that you're town using your posts because they are all jokeposts.

Has anyone proven that I was scum?

(and what do you want me to post after 2 weeks of not moving? I even asked stefl, the one I pseudo confirmed, to ask more questions as they'd be taken seriously and would guarantee a clean answer (under penalty of being suspected by the rest of the players) and... we had 3 for the day... so yeah after repeating 100 times the same things in a 7 day period, I do make less serious posts ^^)

You're missing the point, Heph.

Put yourself in my shoes, and tell me how I should even begin to think you're town. I can't find anything of content in there.

yeah that's because you're scum, you look for the people that are too obvtown for your night list...

townies on the other hand should look for scum.

You're taking things out of context here. He's saying that your posts don't scream "townie" to him, and you're saying he should be looking for scum, and not for townies. What you're saying is true...but he never said he was looking for townies...just that you don't seem like one to him.

no no, he specifically said "put yourself in my shoes"



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GodOfWar_3ever on 01 June 2011
Hephaestos said:

yeah i read your post and all you did is dig up what prof wanted you to.

he noticed the hider thing but waited for you to point it out? why?

because like this he can point you (or whoever else had found it) to think you yourself arrived to the conclusion of a definite third party... and look at people mentioning them with suspicion.

Say, how many games have you played here? how many had SKs or Vig? so yeah it's very unatural for people to even dare mention them...

in any case, he made you waist an good 20 mins on that research ^^

So you think I'm prof's bitch ? Is that it ?



GodOfWar_3ever on 01 June 2011

And why do you seem so fiery all of a sudden Heph ? Maybe everything I speculated about you is true..or are you scared of being lynched the fuck out of ? Probably both :P



Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:

And why do you seem so fiery all of a sudden Heph ? Maybe everything I speculated about you is true..or are you scared of being lynched the fuck out of ? Probably both :P

gf just went to bed, so it means free time ^^



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:

So you think I'm prof's bitch ? Is that it ?

that'll be a fun quote endgame =)



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theprof00 on 01 June 2011
Hephaestos said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

So you think I'm prof's bitch ? Is that it ?

that'll be a fun quote endgame =)

ok, Heph, what are you doing?

Are you trying to be sarcastic? Are you mocking me? Are you somehow implying that I'm the one that's spamming the thread with nonsense? I don't think I'm doing that, but I'm sure some people might (like wonk).

I don't understand what end-goal you're trying to reach. How is what you're doing productive in any way?

You STILL haven't responded to my countering your evidence in any meaningful way. At this point, all you're doing is painting me as mafia, and framing every interaction with that scenery. You have 0 evidence, you ignored the lurker wildvine, you're vague about everything, you state you'll be randomed if you claim to much, then say you'l lose your role, and then say it's a mistake.

How am I supposed to look at you, and think for one second that you're town. I don't want any more jokes or vaguaries. I want you to start playing, now.

Right now your attitude is one of someone who's given up, and your only explanation for that is that nobody is listening to your case. Nobody would listen to your case. You have no case.



Linkzmax on 01 June 2011
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:

don't forget that linkzmax implied that he might have a role other than lover as well. So, both ST and Linkz may have roles. Usually, in a treacherous lover format, ie; a mafia sibling, the town sibling has an important role. Therefore, even if the town side knows he is scum, he is willing to put it off until later because he will have to sacrifice an important town role as well.

As I see it, we probably have a doc a cop and a vig. Vette could be one, so could linkz, and either you or FF is the other. If you aren't one, and this is a decision that you'll have to make yourself, that would mean FF (linkz or st) and Vette are all power roles.

What is with everyone's insistence on there being a cop!? It's already been said that LD and cop will not exist together. The cop is barely hindered by being random'd through claiming, and it is quite probable that there is an actual kill-protection role to hopefully keep the cop alive for at least one more night. A cop claim would undoubtedly net at least one scum, so there's no reason for the cop not to have come out when requested. Yet there's been no claim.

Obviously within that paragraph I agree there's a doc(or other protection) and I'd bet on another killing role outside of mafia, though I'm torn between vig and SK still.

What is the harm is assuming there is one? Why should the unconfirmed existence of an LD bar one? There IS a reason for the cop NOT to claim, and that it because I KNOW there is a blocker. As a silver lining, it would probably keep me alive for a night, while the scum pick their targets, AND it will net us a semi-confirmed townie (only confirmed when cop flips), so personally, I'd be for a cop claiming, BUT the mafia do have a chance at preventing both.

Also, I think only you've requested one, and not many trust you, so put two and two together.

Well, an SK must kill, right? Isn't that your slogan? lack of balance, etc etc ?(not to be rude)

If too many assume there is one, it opens the door for an easy scum fakeclaim. An LD claim does not mean there won't be a cop claim; however, both are not going to exist in a game this small. A cop claim nets one(or possibly two) scum now when there is more room for error to get a confirmation,(through lynching) instead of possibly being in a situation tomorrow where the lynch has to be right. I've never liked claims at lylo/mylo.

What's with you trying to stay alive for the night? You've asked for doc protection and claimed vanilla. You're far from obvtown, so what makes you think you'd be such a target?

I am the only one with a vote to say the cop should come out if he exists, but I was agreeing with Wonk. What two and two is there to put together? If I'm scum then I already know if Heph and/or Stefl are town and thus actually 'Heph's role' and LD, so I'd know if there probably is a cop or not and would already have all the information needed to decide tonight's actions.(Though a mafia lynch would change things in that case)

I say an SK should always kill and I always would choose to do so if I ever landed the role and was given an option. It's not about balance(other factions need to be balanced around that) but about giving townies enough information to find the SK. But my belief doesn't mean that if ABC included an SK he's forcing them to kill every night nor does it mean the kill wasn't blocked by an RB or saved by a doc.



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theprof00 on 01 June 2011
Linkzmax said:

If too many assume there is one, it opens the door for an easy scum fakeclaim. An LD claim does not mean there won't be a cop claim; however, both are not going to exist in a game this small. A cop claim nets one(or possibly two) scum now when there is more room for error to get a confirmation,(through lynching) instead of possibly being in a situation tomorrow where the lynch has to be right. I've never liked claims at lylo/mylo.

What's with you trying to stay alive for the night? You've asked for doc protection and claimed vanilla. You're far from obvtown, so what makes you think you'd be such a target?

I am the only one with a vote to say the cop should come out if he exists, but I was agreeing with Wonk. What two and two is there to put together? If I'm scum then I already know if Heph and/or Stefl are town and thus actually 'Heph's role' and LD, so I'd know if there probably is a cop or not and would already have all the information needed to decide tonight's actions.(Though a mafia lynch would change things in that case)

I say an SK should always kill and I always would choose to do so if I ever landed the role and was given an option. It's not about balance(other factions need to be balanced around that) but about giving townies enough information to find the SK. But my belief doesn't mean that if ABC included an SK he's forcing them to kill every night nor does it mean the kill wasn't blocked by an RB or saved by a doc.

I was hoping for a desperate fakeclaim actually, but thanks for making sure that no stone goes underturned.

I may not be obvtown, and wasn't really expecting to be protected, but thanks for making sure everyone understands that I won't and shouldn't be. I was hoping for lack of scum confidence, rather than actual protection.

ALthough, I guess you're right that mafia would understand there is no cop as long as you were around to let them know that there can't be one.



Linkzmax on 01 June 2011
theprof00 said:
Linkzmax said: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4075305

You are confused. If I had the patience to do it, I'd find it. The person that said it was clean.

Ok, I understand that. I did notice that you found wild, though it wouldn't be unexpected to throw him under the bus either. I don't recall any strong push toward wildvine from you, even when I initiated a vote for him, and another joined me.

I think it's a mistake to decide between people simply because they're not in your "don't want to kill today" list. But please do read them anyhow.

How is it not unexpected for me to throw him under a bus, but your analysis of GOW going after him makes him town?

Do not twist what happened, you may have voted wildvine, but you barely put any accusations against him. Your vote didn't even last an hour at that, and the unvote came long before Trucks eventually voted. Wildvine was ALWAYS on my suspect list and would've gotten a vote if it weren't for the realization he was a first-timer. I was never in the position to push for anyone's lynch day one and several players(yourself included) seemed unwilling to lynch him, so even from a self-preservation standpoint I had to settle for NotStan who was quite a bit lower on my list.

Yesterday I was all over Heph, thinking he was scum. Rereading day one in light of today's events so far, it's like everything became clear and I have a fairly good town read on him. So it's not just that he could provide information if town and can be marginalized if scum, I simply don't see him as scum and thus wouldn't vote for him. I'd even defend against his lynch, which may be necessary and hilarious given yesterday's proceedings.

If you mean Vette, then I'm not liking much of what he says at all, but I'm still not voting him without some incriminating evidence. I'd still try to push for someone else's lynch, but I can't nor wouldn't refer to any content in an attempt to defend him.



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