| GodOfWar_3ever said: 1.First mention of SK - wonk...nothing to see there Replying to prof, who said trucks is always mafia. "no he's also often SK, cultis and what always gets dsister; Canadian" 2. Then, notstan. "But thus far, I think I am concrete with my vote, day one lynches are fruitless and are commonly based upon almost to no information - there is no knowledge of how mafia kills, if there are any serial killers, vigilantes or any other power roles that could help deduce the scum from town." OK my argument isn't exactly looking too good. Both players so far have been pro-town. 3. Silver tiger on an analysis post...regarding heph "Heph, Heph, Heph.... He was always the opposite of what I've been thinking. If I thought he was town, he was SK. If suspected him as scum, he turned up town." He does mention SK...but not in this game. 4. Vetteman...in a controversial post. "I think that just theprof being vague, all my PMs when I have pro-town roles says that I win when the town wins, its probably him reciting his PM and adding a little extra too it to cause a stir. I cant think of a third party that would fall into that situation, third party kinda implies that he has his own win scenario like a cult or a SK." This, however, isn't what I'm looking for when players mention SK. I want to see someone, being on a stance that shows that there could most probably be a SK in this game. 5.
Jackpot !!!! Fits with my lovers = scum on opposite teams scenario too. 6. vetteman, in response to ST, above. "Because he says that he wins when the town wins, that kinda rules out third party as those have their own win condition. Unless you are trying to get me to say I dont think there is a SK or a Cult in this game, which is far from what I am saying. Im only saying that given the information that theprof has given us I believe its safe to assume that he is not a third party role like the ones I listed." 7. Prof, @ ST "And you also recently semi implied that I was a third party, commenting that SK or cult is not unlikely
However, I'm also suspicious of Vette for understanding that I'm a townie. But, then again I did say that I only have one vote, I win with town, and there's nothing complicated about my role at all. I'm not a townie-SK like Baal implied last round. THere is literally nothing beyond that." 8. Vigilante claims by Heph, ST, FF Heph - ABC, does wonk count thowards victory conditions? Scum usually wins at 50% of town, but here if we have 3 scum 3 townies including a Vig (hypothesis), town could technically still kill as often as scum... but they are already 50%, unless wonk is counted. Or did you put kill all townies as the condition? in which case, if wonk is still considered a townie, the mafia can at best draw! =D ST (In response to Heph, above) - "I also thought about that. At 3vs3 1 sump mafia still wins, because even if all townies vote for one scum, they still need one additional vote. And Scum for sure aren't voting themselves, when it's 3vs3. The stump can't vote so technically the only option would be to lynch another townie, which makes winning for the town even more impossible. The inclusion of a Vig makes this interesting, though he'd need to be a day time Vigilante. A night time Vigilante wouldn't work again, since even if he kills a scum member in the night, The town would need to lynch another townie at day, since, again, scum aren't voting themselves. The result is a 2vs2 situation next day." FF -
"3v3 does mafia win?
Mafia should win when victory is inevitable. But having 50% of the population does not guarantee this if there are power roles. For example, a bodysnatcher could cause mafia to kill one of their own, leaving the town at 3v2. Or a vigilante could get super lucky -- 2v2, 1v1, 0v0 TIE! "ST is the only player to think of both Vigs and SKs so far. 9. Linkz "Vote: Vetteman94 If I'm not being lynched today, he needs to go. If I do get lynched today, and once again I strongly urge pro-town players to condiser hammering me, then tighten the noose day two. I'd go far as telling the vig, if there is one, that they should shoot him tonight if they trust me or if I flip at twilight/evening instead of in the morning." Again, supports the lovers = scum theory. 10. Heph in response to Linkz on Vette "3) Agreed, the Vig should take out Vette, "Ah, I see now" is a weak enough defence on accusations to warrant that." Exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. Seems confident on the existence of a vig. Him being on Wildvine's team doesn't look too bad now..Considering he ignored him the entire time till he was killed, as prof mentioned. But that'd deviate away from the lovers = scum theory. But, my argument isn't solely based on that. Its based on multiple kill factions, and lovers being on opposite teams was simply a possibility.
Heph mentions it again in response to Vette -
"true, hence why i'm not in a hurry to lynch you. Death by Vig/SK is fine though (better than a townie)."
Then again, after Vette responses with "So what you are saying is that a vigilante kill of a me, a townie, is better than wasting a lynch on me since no info from me will be gotten"-
"besides the fact that I think you're scum, a vigilante has a high chance of hitting a townie, so targeting a player that is likely scum, even if he ends up townie, is still more beneficial to the town than a random townie. (it saves the town the headacke of focussing on him and the potential loss of a misslynch token)."
It could also save your scumbuddy wildvine for the night atleast ? :P
11. Linkz again - "I didn't bring up last game, I brought up my second game where I was a one-shot vig."
12. ST mentions SKs again in response to prof -
"As for the third-party, yes, it's possible that there is a cult or SK. I'm asking you, why not? Does it seem that unlikely that in a GTA-themed game there is a serial killer or a cult? I did not imply that you have on of these roles, I just clarified that these roles my exist in this game."
This is the type of post I'm looking for. Saying that there is most probably an SK/Vig in the game. Just to see who may be influenced to think so based on info they have. We can narrow them down based on how much they mention these extra killing roles and "tone" of post.
13. Linkz mentions vig again...but this time he mentions of the possibility of one not existing
"So then when I flip town and if there was no vig(or he didn't listen) you'll do what should be done today anyway and get him lynched?"
14. Final Fan on vette
"Things were looking awfully bad for Vette ... but now it seems like he has a little bit of wiggle room. I'd peg him as a good target for vig or cop though. "
Vette for vig is something linkz and heph said before...doesn't look good when you say the same thing, does it ?
15. Linkz again
"Indeed. I will still flip town, but I'm no longer saying Vette should be lynched, in fact he probably should never be lynched. If there is a Vig he should avoid shooting Vette as well."
Then he dismisses the possibility of a SK -
"And if we are both townies then it's fairly certain that there'd be a 3man mafia team and no SK."
Wildvine's mate ? He may have thought hiding was to escape from the vig....but dismisses the possibility of a SK, since hider is usually a pro-town role to avoid death by mafia, the reverse would be for scum to avoid death by vig. Maybe he overlooked the possibility of another team.
16. Stefl
"Actually I believe even if there were 3 Mafia there is still the possibility of a SK being somewhere arround, but then I think we are guarantied to have a protective role, without the SK I somehow doubt the existence of a protective rule."
Response to linkz.
17. Heph again, in response to Vette "screwing up"
"I'm sorry I guess your definition of screwing up must be nothing short of when a Vig kills 90% of the town while the doc blocks all mafia kills? So then yeah you didn't screw up ^^"
Even a random example includes a vig...maybe its on the back of his mind.
18. Me :D
"I'm watching Dexter right now (no that doesn't make me a serial killer....just an admirer :P)"
19. Prof
"We are currently at 12....I'm thinking that there are three mafia. ABC gave up something about balance being at stake, and 3/12 is standard mafia. This would make me think that there is no SK, as the 1 is usually the SK."
20. Stefl again
"@ Prof - I think as the events turned out so far I would be uncomfortable with a no lynch since we don't know if there is a protective role and we probably will have a dual kill tonight - maybe even a tripple kill if there is an SK out there (I don't hope that there is one - even though I think we would have a protective role 100% then.)"
After this, Wildvine was revealed to be a hider...and I guess pretty much everyone considered the possibility from then.
To Summarize,
Heph - Linkz - ST mention the SK/Vig thing the most. Interestingly, both lovers there..fitting my ridiculous(ly farfetched, yet possible) scenario. I think anyone involved with Wildvine would assume vig > sk for this game.
ST mentions SK more than Vig. So lets, give him the benefit of the doubt. Linkz also mentions the possibility of there not being a vig in his posts. Also since they're both lovers, we should be cautious.
Heph on the other hand,
1. Mentions Vig far more than SK.
Even prioritizes on Vig when mentioning both.
Ex : Death by Vig/SK suits you better @ Vette
I this that sounds extremely ridiculous, but if you think there'd be another killing role other than mafia in this game, and thought that vig is more likely than SK, what would you type first if you're mentioning both ?
If someone asked you what your favourite fruits are, you'd obviously start with your absolute favourite right ?
2. Fits the Wildvine profile of Vig > SK.
3. Possible connection to Wildvine also pointed out by Prof (Not mentioning him much at all till his death).
I really really hope I'm right about this, since we're using the connection of someone's role and posting patterns here. But right now, I'm inclined to believe Heph is anti-town, and possibly Wildvine's scumbuddy. Vette's lynch probably won't happen today, and things don't look good for a final-fan lynch either. I'm arguing as whether to vote Heph or not. :/ As I've said before, if we're wrong about him, we'd be losing a town power role.
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Heph, show me where you say you knew Stefl visited ToS before Stefl himself spilled the beans. Or I will probably vote for you.
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There is alot of good info in there, and the theories arent that far fetched given the circumstances
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