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theprof00 on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Final-Fan said:

I didn't vote you because I was cautious alright.  Town cautious.  I wasn't convinced the case against you was there, although I was desperate enough to end the day that at one point I was willing to vote you just to end the day, since it was possible you were scum after all. 

You could've been mafia distancing yourself from a mislynch. And like zarx, you too were impatient to get to the night then (wanting to vote for someone just to end the day and being one of the first people to vote for a time limit on day one). Do you have jury duty too ?

Prof, thoughts on Vette ?

Where is Silver-Tiger ? His absence and excuses is making me think of him...probably more than I need to.

Also, why do you guys think the cop should come out ? A Lie detector, role cop/tracker and vanilla cop doesn't look to farfetched to me cause there was a mafia hider, and it would create doubt among the town. Maybe the cop has some traits to him that further balances the equation. He might be a miller, or could use his power every other day or something ? A cop that looks bad in the town's eyes would be likely to appear in GTA, with its history of crooked police officers I guess like Francis McReary in GTA IV (in the series, Tenpenny in San Andreas...though he was just fucking evil)..

I don't want the cop to claim just yet, even if it would be to my benefit (being that mafia would have too many targets to choose from to consider me).

About vette, well. I know he's angry, or frustrated etc. I'm not sure what's going through his mind, but I feel like he's town. Then again, vette's playing this game very differently from how I usually recognize him. He's much more talkative this game than usual, and "woke up" earlier too. His eagerness about the lovers is also a question I have that will have to wait til later.

The thing is, if he were mafia trying to get us to vote for the siblings and mislynch, then it would be far too obvious given his thread-long campaign against them. I'm going to go with town, for now. This would bring me to a suspect list consisting of the lovers, Heph, and FF.



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
Linkzmax said:
Hephaestos said:
Silver-Tiger said:
Hephaestos said:

this made me think of linkz and ST.... ST would be the green one ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGuBTlJDki8&feature=related

no way, he wouldn't.

 

...You wouldn't, do you Linkz?

see he's not even answering you! ignoring you! tssss....

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Mafia-wise this couldn't even be the case. If ST is town and I'm mafia then I'd(nor my mate(s) would) never gain the upper hand with "sacrificing" ST. At least I don't think that should be possible, and so even if it were so I wouldn't do it.

now obviously this video was a joke =) (but theoretically, you can sacrifice ST at 3 players left and win.... whichever of you two is scum)



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

(all that above is like the first 100 posts of the day till the stefl is LD post.... rest of the day has been prof asking me to paraphrase 100 times the flavor, introducing the RB theory and peopel casting votes arround (I voted for everyone but the siblings if I recall ^^)).


yes because every paraphrase that you've given me is just so obviously lie detector. So so obvious. I can't understand how you didn't get it.

such honnesty ^^

theprof00 said:

Actually my guess was that stefl was an amnesiac cop, and heph was a tracker, and that stefl had investigated ToS while Heph followed stefl and the results were sent randomly to Heph, hence why he said, "I doubt I'll get any other flavor".

The big piece of this puzzle that is still missing is why Heph thinks he won't get any flavor later, and why the flavor that he gotmade him think lie detector. "stefl thinks trucks asks too many questions" doesn't come off to me as lie detector, and doesn't even come off as mafia. If I were to read that in my pm, I would think trucks is a cop or some kind of investigator.

I could've sworn that you meant to say trucks thinks stefl asks to many questions, at the time when I compiled all your hints. I apologize then. However, in that italicized paraphrase that you wrote, the one saying:
Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked Trucks his alignment, and at dawn, he knew

 it doesn't read like those other paraphrases at all, and made me think that your first ones should have said, "trucks thinks stefl asks too many questions. The way your first paraphrases came out, it didn't make sense at all given your "ticking" to the truth. If they did indeed say stefl thinks trucks asks too many questions, then stefl's claim of knowing trucks alignment before day shouldn't have made you think lie detector.

This is one of the reasons I keep asking for an accurate paraphrase, because they are either poorly worded, or don't logically follow your statements.

recall the paraphrase of what i initially thought?

"he asks too many questions, shoot him"

it's so radically different because the text i have is vague and not obvious. But A) it fits perfectly with prior actions (including stefl's first posts of the day), B) it confirms a soft claim.... why would the mod confirm a fake one?, C) i also thought it wierd that trucks would be singled out for that.



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Final-Fan on 01 June 2011

Miller cop wouldn't make sense, because tracker/LD wouldn't detect millers anyway.  Maybe a cop with sanity problems...

No jury duty, I was just impatient for some reason. 



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Final-Fan said:

I didn't vote you because I was cautious alright.  Town cautious.  I wasn't convinced the case against you was there, although I was desperate enough to end the day that at one point I was willing to vote you just to end the day, since it was possible you were scum after all. 

You could've been mafia distancing yourself from a mislynch. And like zarx, you too were impatient to get to the night then (wanting to vote for someone just to end the day and being one of the first people to vote for a time limit on day one). Do you have jury duty too ?

Prof, thoughts on Vette ?

Where is Silver-Tiger ? His absence and excuses is making me think of him...probably more than I need to.

Also, why do you guys think the cop should come out ? A Lie detector, role cop/tracker and vanilla cop doesn't look to farfetched to me cause there was a mafia hider, and it would create doubt among the town. Maybe the cop has some traits to him that further balances the equation. He might be a miller, or could use his power every other day or something ? A cop that looks bad in the town's eyes would be likely to appear in GTA, with its history of crooked police officers I guess like Francis McReary in GTA IV (in the series, Tenpenny in San Andreas...though he was just fucking evil)..

a cop/miller......really gow.... that's like a perma-silenced double voter, who's gonna check him to get a guilty result? (your flavor logic is good but lol at the role :p, every other day is plausible though).



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Hephaestos on 01 June 2011
Final-Fan said:

Miller cop wouldn't make sense, because tracker/LD wouldn't detect millers anyway.  Maybe a cop with sanity problems...

No jury duty, I was just impatient for some reason. 

arf crap ninjaed (and by 8 mins too, damn the refresh button that I didn't press!)



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Stefl1504 on 01 June 2011
Linkzmax said:
Stefl1504 said:

To be honest I think it would be sound for the game if we would end the day sooner or later, since we are somehow geting nowhere...

Unvote

Vote Time Limit

Why did you unvote? Why didn't you vote someone else?

To be honest... after yesterday I am really afraid of being wrong again, so I decided to let the others place their votes and then decide to vote for someone if I think town is heading in the totally wrong direction, for example I would not like if Heph gets lynched, though when hes town some people will think that I am town too - Its just that I think that you and Heph are the only ones I wouldn't like to see lynched right now (and ST since that would kill you too). On the others I have a pretty similar opinion right now, that why I can't vote for someone without hasitation... I voted for FF because he could cause a slip-up when he roleclaims and is scum - like claiming a role that another person has. Now that he doesn't wants to claim (or so I understood it) I don't think I should keep my vote on him for now.



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GodOfWar_3ever on 01 June 2011

Lie Detector would always get a "false" result on the Miller cop ?

Role cop would get the result "mafia" ? 

Tracker would show that he followed the target to a dead player ?

I donno. It doesn't seem not possible. I still think there is a cop though, gimped or not, in this game because there is supposedly a role blocker, and there was a mafia hider...So thats possibly 2 of 3/4 mafia with roles that could block town investigative roles, and we don't know what the other 1/2 mafia can do.



theprof00 on 01 June 2011
Hephaestos said:

recall the paraphrase of what i initially thought?

"he asks too many questions, shoot him"

it's so radically different because the text i have is vague and not obvious. But A) it fits perfectly with prior actions (including stefl's first posts of the day), B) it confirms a soft claim.... why would the mod confirm a fake one?, C) i also thought it wierd that trucks would be singled out for that.

yes, but why are you paraphrasing what you thought, rather than the text.

When someone asks you what the flavor says, why would you say, "well, I thought it said this", and nothing more.

It's like, "son how are you're grades", "well, I thought I was doing great".



theprof00 on 01 June 2011
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Lie Detector would always get a "false" result on the Miller cop ?

Role cop would get the result "mafia" ? 

Tracker would show that he followed the target to a dead player ?

I donno. It doesn't seem not possible. I still think there is a cop though, gimped or not, in this game because there is supposedly a role blocker, and there was a mafia hider...So thats possibly 2 of 3/4 mafia with roles that could block town investigative roles, and we don't know what the other 1/2 mafia can do.

pretty sure that a hider only hides from kills, right?