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Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

@ GoW:  When Linkz has made his case against me I will then decide whether (and to what extent) I will reveal more information about what my role is or is not. 

In the meantime, people may feel free to persuade me to move up my timetable. 

are you saying that you're willing to claim given enough pressure? WHy is that?

Claiming to avoid a lynch would be less bad than dying because I refused to claim. 

I was EXPECTING people to try to PERSUADE me that it was in the town's best interest for me to reveal that information even if I wasn't going to get lynched, not mindlessly vote me to make me spill the beans for fear of dying. 

Dammit people.  Just ... dammit.  Out of spite, I refuse to claim before Linkz makes his case.  I only hope I don't get mafia-hammered, but honestly you would deserve it Stefl. 


I am actually reevaluating my vote on Heph.  But I have such a hard time swallowing that his flavor was just some kind of bonus and it just happens to be exactly the kind of thing a role cop would get. 

I was hoping for mafia to jump on your back after I voted for you T.T - but maybe you aren't town and thats why you haven't gathered the lynch votes^^

And its sad that Baaly did not give an answer



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theprof00 said:


Is there really anything that is so pro town a scum would never do it?

You act like scum won't be ready to throw other scum under the bus.

In some games you would call going after a scum who was lurking parenting.

This game its proof someone is town? What gives? What changed to make that flip? Your alignment perhaps?

As for answering my questions. You should because when you don't it looks bad to everyone else. You can disagree with how I played all you want but you can't change it. Get over it. You know you wish you could play a game without fear of being killed. :P



Do you have a passive or active role? You have said enought that it makes everyone know you have a role.



Wonktonodi said:

Do you have a passive or active role? You have said enought that it makes everyone know you have a role.


That was meant for FF



Silver-Tiger said:
Vetteman94 said:

Thats the main reason,  I didnt say those others reasons didnt play a part in my suspicions of you


So let me ask you another question:

GodOfWar_3ever said:

Also, notice that Vette has made references to the treacherous lover thing multiple times on day 2. 

 

Vetteman94 said:

And I will probably do it a few more times,  in fact I could write a 1000 word post referencing them in the entire thing.  WHat I find funny is you seem to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are both town

Are you implying here that you have an informative role? If so, I would highly interested how and who you targeted.

Are you skipping over my posts where I have roleclaimed on  purpose?  Its not just you that is doing it and its starting to upset me.  

I have no night role,  I have no day role,  I cant do anything other than vote and it only counts once.  I am a simple motherfucking vanilla townie.  It doesnt get much easier than that.



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Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:


1. Is there really anything that is so pro town a scum would never do it?

You act like scum won't be ready to throw other scum under the bus.

2. In some games you would call going after a scum who was lurking parenting.

This game its proof someone is town? What gives? What changed to make that flip? Your alignment perhaps?

3. As for answering my questions. You should because when you don't it looks bad to everyone else. You can disagree with how I played all you want but you can't change it. Get over it. You know you wish you could play a game without fear of being killed. :P

1. You forget that the confidence in alignment can switch at the drop of a hat. I can say, "GoW is confirmed townie because of x,y, and z". But then the next day, that all collapses when he says something fishy.

As scum, you don't throw someone under the bus (starting on page 2, wonk, 400 posts before wild disappears) who has gathered nearly no suspicion and is easily dismissable, just to make yourself look good. The fact that your post asks this question is a huge reason why scum cannot sacrifice so much for something so fleeting and questionable.

Like I tell you every game, stop thinking in absolutes. Stop thinking you're right all the time. Ideas...they're relative. They change; they evolve. The only proof that scum can't sacrifice something so large is that they will still be questioned eventually. And then, if a scum reads this and decides to do it, knowing he is going to be proven town since it's too reckless of a sacrifice, he will STILL be questioned, and can STILL be lynched. And therefore, it's VERY good obvtown behavior. It's an anomaly.

There is no way around it, wonk. THe only answer for scum is that they must sacrifice a litte to moderate amount. An entire player is too much. An entire unsuspected player is far far too much.

 

2. Parenting is when a scum is scolding a child. Going after a scum who is lurking is not parenting. I would not call it that. Parenting is more like when a player goes after another player for something but does not try to attract attention to it. Notable things to look for would be a lack of referring to the target in the third person, lack of vote, lack of followthrough. If a player calls someone out for lurking, but never says, "hey this OTHER guy is lurking we should do something", or never votes, or say "he was lurking earlier but he's fine now", I would consider that parenting.

(In the latter case, because lurking at certain points are often important notes. Lurking while something is going down is an important piece of evidence, so just because the lurking ended, a true townie would follow-through---barring laziness, stupidity, etc)

For example, wild left when the sibling thing was brought up. He left DURING something. Parenting is more like, "what gives, you're never on" (framing the lurking as not due to specificly incriminating timeframe), or "it's like you just vote random playerswith no really good reason. Why don't you want to vote for any of the current hot-seat suspects?" ('Your votes stand out, try to blend in more').

Parenting is criticism without suspicion.

3. It looks bad if I don't answer a question to you? Let me answer your question with a question. Do you ever stop to consider that maybe I need MY questions answered before you get yours answered. Do you wonder about whose question is MORE important,...in a chronological sense. Is it possible, that I can answer your question later (and therefore you can ASK your question later)? Are you so bull-headed that your question NEEDS to be answered before mine does?

I am over it. I don't care how you played because I expect that eventually you will be of some use. I am reminding everyone that other players do know how to play and that we shouldn't be held to *your standards*, not to put too fine a point on it...



theprof00 said:

1. You forget that the confidence in alignment can switch at the drop of a hat. I can say, "GoW is confirmed townie because of x,y, and z". But then the next day, that all collapses when he says something fishy.

nice definition of confirmed townie.....



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Hephaestos said:
theprof00 said:

1. You forget that the confidence in alignment can switch at the drop of a hat. I can say, "GoW is confirmed townie because of x,y, and z". But then the next day, that all collapses when he says something fishy.

nice definition of confirmed townie.....

LOL Heph, you are just asking repeatedly for suspicion.

NO TOWNIE IS EVER CONFIRMED. So stop undermining me. Obvtown means as close as you can get, but things always change. Supericial arguments are all you have at this point, with a superficial vote.

Thanks also for responding to my post about your so called evidence. Just more superficial garbage. Just more evidence against you.

Did you wonder, while making this post, how it might look bad for you? You're undermining a point that confirmed townies are never confirmed. You're arguing to give more credence to confirmed townies. Why would a scum Heph want confirmed townies to not be questioned?  You're off your game.

And don't even think about taking your vote back as a gambit to "draw scum votes due to weak evidence" nobody is going to buy it.



That came off a lot meaner than I meant it to,

So, sorry about that.



theprof00 said:

That came off a lot meaner than I meant it to,

So, sorry about that.


agressive, not mean, so don't worry :p



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