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Fine, when I get a chance, I will quote the posts that make me think gow is town.

Know this though, in doing so, you're just going to attribute any suspicion you have for me onto the posts. Without understanding them yourself, you're already dismissing them.

But it's something similar to an earlier game. It was either wonk or abc who became my obvtown because people were talking about previous games and adding confusion. One player came out and asked everyone to stop because they didn't understand the posts and how they related.

Any normal mafia noob would have simply allowed the confusion to keep occuring. That was an obvtown sign.

WHen I get a minute, say, in half an hour, I'll list the posts that stand out to me.

Also, Linkz being gone is really hampering this game. Normally, like last game, by this point he'll have somewhat cleared half the players. I remember quite well. When I died, he was like, the scum team is most likely stefl and truck. NO OTHER SUSPECTS. But for some reason he hasn't done this this game. If he's scum then god help us, but we really need his contributions right now.



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GoW in italics, wildvine in regular, me in small text. underline

 

 

Lets see how this goes... I got my eyes on you Heph..

Also lurker alert - Wildvine

 
Wildvine53 said:


If he did get a second pm that had all of his info, why would he need to read the first?


I love how you popped after I mentioned that you are lurking. Care to add more to the discussion more than a single line ?

 

 

one of the first to go after wildvine. Please continue reading.  

I can't believe I didn't notice this before. Either I'm really stupid and I'm missing something, or this is a slip up.

How would someone roleclaim without reading his role PM ? And why would a mod decide to butt into the game

to stop someone from role-claiming, when the repercussions of doing so are given in one of the first posts in this thread.

This is really fishy, and I think more than justifies the fact that you're very close to being lynched right now.

 
this one isn't really great evidence against linkz, but it does show some very critical thinking. GoW is looking hard at the posts, and this shows.
Why would ABC send a message to linkz to keep him from roleclaiming, when abc is obviously following the game and knows that he cannot
roleclaim since he hasn't read his role? Like I said, it's a nice find, it's not great..but it demonstrates a strong level of critical thinking.

 

 

I would've had more posts. I think these "POTALS" don't mean jackshit. I've contributed more than people who come in here, make a single lined post and disappear every 2 hours or so. (Ex - zarx, wildvine, notstan)

On topic of those 3, I'd say wildvine and zarx have higher possibilities of being scum. I believe notstan is just a little noobish. But maybe its because he hasn't posted much since I started reading this thread I feel that way...hmmm..

 
Again, pointing out wildvine.  

 

Its been 3 days since he was on..I'd suggest you modkill him off or look for a replacement.
 
concerning wildvine. He has been on wildvine's ass all game.
If GoW was really mafia, then he's doing a horrible job at it, because he has brought up wildvine's abscense at least
5 or 6 times...that is not "scum trying to look pro-town", that is someone seriously looking at another player.
He even asks for the modkill here. And votes for the modkill shortly after. Guys, it was put to a goddamn vote. He could've stayed
out of it, or even asked for a replacement, or a time-limit, saying, "you know what, I'm confident he'll be back. We've already lost
3 townies and it's gunna really suck if he is one too. I say let's make our votes, go through the night and maybe he'll come back.
If he doesn't, then we can modkill."
That would sound pretty sincere to me, but he didn't do that. This whole time he's been on wild, he had the opportunity to back off.

HA , he even asks for an extension on the time-limit
"Can we possibly extend the time limit for a few more hours then (12 or so) because I doubt most people will be online by the next 4 hours."

You think that as mafia he didn't have time for wild, but has time for the majority? WHAT?
 

 

 

With the level of contributions GoW is making it's very difficult to understand how he can possible be mafia. I don't mind if he doesn't trust me, but I am going to trust him. I have to start emptying the pool and gow is what i consider the best place to start.

Maybe you all think this doesn't mean anything..and that's fine. You can feel like that if you want. But I'm not going to sit back and just suspect every single player, when it's obvious that at least some of them are town.

 

 

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Hephaestos said:

Ah! Trucks was ideed a townie (is a psychopath some sort of paranoid gun owner or vig?).

But in any case, Stefl knew that already.

Vote : Stefl


I just wanted to bring this post up again because of how odd it is.

I know a lot of you disagree with how I think, but look how this statement is worded.

Heph later implies that he "followed" stefl to ToS, or got some flavor, whatever the hell it is.

Heph's question above doesn't say, "Why did you visit stefl", or anything to that degree. It specifically says that stefl "KNEW" trucks alignment.

Here's my assertion. Heph is correct when he says, "lack of suspicion draws attention". It's true. Lack of suspicion does draw attention because those people with little suspicion are trying to fly under the radar. Usually it is scum. However, whenever I play, and most people can vouch for me on this, at day 1 I usually have a list of 4-5 people. eventually 40-50% will show up town. The other two though...are usually doc or cop. Because it's not just scum that try to avoid suspicion, it's also power roles. I believe heph followed steph because he thought steph was a power role. (He may also simply be a role cop. His flavor was something like, well, I'm not going to try because every time I do, Heph says I'm trying to get Heph randomed [lol].

Well, I know it seems like Heph would HAVE to be a tracker for being able to contextualize BOTH trucks and stefl, but in a paraphrase that Heph freely gave, his flavor said, "trucks thinks stefl asks too many questions" it's easy to piece together what might've happened when the day starts and trucks is dead townie. SP, he doesn't really ned to be a scum tracker to put the two into context. The flavor practically includes tracker results.

Anyway, I believe that he worded this question above in an obfuscated way in order to force a claim. (of course, they could both be scum, but like I said, I'm narrowing the pool from now on, and stefl is out too, for now)
Instead of holding on to information and patiently waiting, he jumped the gun, so to speak. I believe that maybe Heph did not exactly know what stefl was. So of that, I believe the possibility exists that Heph is telling the truth. This probably explains why he gets so mad when I say that he already knew that stefl was the LD. As a scum, he is in the great situation where he can be completely and utterly HONEST about what he did and didn't know. However, I think he's also taking a little bit too much advantage of that situation, which is why he's allowing too MUCH honest emotion, and getting angry.

Food for thought.



Hephaestos said:

Lie to stefl and he'll know. He asked Trucks if he was a townie, Trucks answered and at Dawn, Stefl knew.

This was your flavor..

At first I thought you were just being coy and saying it like this, but this was your result, wasn't it?



 It was weekend,a dn i still got to read over 70 posts, so sorry again for th absence. I realize that I've said this a few times already, but I've been busy the whole weekend with getting drunk, getting rid of the hangover, and playing L.A. Noire. Seriously, if there's one game where you can learn to play mafiascum, it's L.A. Noire. Maybe it helps me analyzing some of your posts. :D



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

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I'm at the middle of page 14@100posts/page btw.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Vetteman94 said:

I have reread the thread,  and I have yet to get an obvious town feeling from GoW.  There is only one person who gets that from me,  and it because he was confirmed as one.  

I'm completely the opposite. I still think that wonk has some mafia role that makes the mod tell everyone he's something else.  :P



Silver-Tiger said:

 It was weekend,a dn i still got to read over 70 posts, so sorry again for th absence. I realize that I've said this a few times already, but I've been busy the whole weekend with getting drunk, getting rid of the hangover, and playing L.A. Noire. Seriously, if there's one game where you can learn to play mafiascum, it's L.A. Noire. Maybe it helps me analyzing some of your posts. :D

put that shit to good use gumshoe



my face when silver tiger had an hour to catch up, and probably went back to playing la noire.



@ GoW:  When Linkz has made his case against me I will then decide whether (and to what extent) I will reveal more information about what my role is or is not. 

In the meantime, people may feel free to persuade me to move up my timetable. 



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