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the answers will be given tonight when we lynch one of them, vig kills the other, and mafia kill another.

So, I have to factor that in as well in the strategy section of the nightkills. Previously, I said that mafia will want to kill either me or gow. since killing any of the other players would result in a narrowing of the pool.

I hadn't considered that I'm part of the pool as well. Therefore, whoever they kill helps us no matter what. At first I thought either me or gow would be safe kills, but it's not looking safe to mafia at all, now.



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theprof00 said:

the answers will be given tonight when we lynch one of them, vig kills the other, and mafia kill another.

So, I have to factor that in as well in the strategy section of the nightkills. Previously, I said that mafia will want to kill either me or gow. since killing any of the other players would result in a narrowing of the pool.

I hadn't considered that I'm part of the pool as well. Therefore, whoever they kill helps us no matter what. At first I thought either me or gow would be safe kills, but it's not looking safe to mafia at all, now.


you really think the person the mafia will kill tonight is going to be st a benefit to the town?



Vette claiming vanilla townie means he wouldn't be as bad of a mislynch as a claimed power, but I still think that's a mislynch. It's purely meta really, because day two behavior would have me thinking scum.

I don't like a Heph lynch either, because if he is town power than mafia will have to choose their block and kill more wisely. I am leaning town as well, because I don't think last nights events occur as they did if he were actually scum.

I hate to be on a lynch with ST again, because it doesn't help anyone sort out whether we're both town or if one of us is treacherous. However, I think a "race" for the lynch will provide the most information to use tomorrow and day four if needed.(and if town lasts that long)

Vote Final-Fan

I should have time tomorrow to lay out defensible suspicions for the vote instead of the pure probability as it reads now, but in the meantime I'll use the throwaway line of, "this one's for Wonk!"

I'd still be okay with a GOW lynch. Despite prof saying he reads obvtown, I don't have the same feeling. Not saying he reads scum to me either, as I'd then be pushing for his lynch, but I think the possibility is still there. I'm opposed to any other lynch.(even the informational ones :P)



Wonktonodi said:

you really think the person the mafia will kill tonight is going to be st a benefit to the town?

Evidence so far points to Stefl being the most dangerous player to scum, and thus also most likely to get protection tonight. Anyone else that dies tonight will narrow down the pool and possible connections.



I'm looking forward to defending myself.  Otherwise, lots of drama but I don't know how much I can add. 

I didn't consider my comment on Wildvine's posts about Vette defensive, but you can draw your own conclusions I guess.  The closest I ever came to defending him IMO was "it would be a shame to lynch him for lurking Day 1 of his first game". 

As for prof's theories, I assume that's all from his perspective since I don't know any reason to keep him off those "possible mafia" lists otherwise. 

I'm more cautious about what can be derived from wildvine's behavior, although "noob lurker scum" is possibly the most predictable of player types.  Also I don't recall for sure but I may have diagreed that I thought he was even really defending Vette; I'll check if I think it becomes important. 



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I've decided to read all posts on day 2 again. I think everyone else should too,  because the day so far has been really unorthodox, and there may be things going unnoticed when they should be.



theprof00 said:
Hephaestos said:

err if the lovers are both scum, they sure as hell ain't lovers, that'd be a pretty big hindrance to the scum team ^^


wasn't it you who proposed that all the gay characters are scum, referencing ABC's humor?

What is going on with you Heph? Every time I read a post like this, I think you're playing me.


yeah but that's when I proposed that the lovers was an act to "save" linkz who was not reading his PM... recall that they dismissed siblings ^^



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theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.

Had you read the post where you defended yourself, you would understand why I voted you.

The scum are pretty limited to a few select groups.

Heph&Stefl
ST another (either Heph, you, or FF)
 Linkz&ST/ 1more
Vette&FF
Heph&FF
Heph&Vette

I love how you just zipped GoW out of this... for appearing townie to you.



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theprof00 said:

on another note, let's all play the Heph's role guessing game.

I suspect he could be a tracker, hence knowing stefl visiting ToS...however, Heph never mentioned following Stefl. He said [stefl] knew ToS was town because stefl was mafia.

He also mentioned getting some weird message but has yet to say what it said. Here, I would ask Heph once again to paraphrase as closely as possible the message he received. There is no penalty for divulging a result. A cop can divulge that X is town, and even quoted is not a problem.

I said that he might be a hobo, but Heph also said that his message was unrelated to his role. Given that he didn't understand his message immediately thinking that it was "random flavor" it really can't be hobo. Otherwise, he would've known that the message was both relevant and due to his role.

He also mentioned that he chose stefl due to suspicion. He hasn't clarified whether it was a lot of [other people's] suspicion, or very little suspicion, though did make the point "who's better to use your role on, someone who will be killed or someone who won't be". Not sure what that means though.

There is also a flavor cop who receives random information based on the players role whom he is investigating, but again, he says the flavor was random and would not occur on other days.

still looking through possible roles, lemme know what you think.

1) I'll translate: proff is frustrated that he has no ground to ask for my ability to be random whereas he is confident that Stefl has not asked enough questions yet (FF Vette Me are the only possible targets... and vett is only on "who he targeted last night").

2) NO, the other way arround... of MY suspects, Stefl was the one with least heat on him. Also, as scum, I would have the person with the least heat and thus least likely to be coped/tracked/LDed do the kill.... hence why in my mind, Stefl was the most likely to yield an incriminating result.



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theprof00 said:

I mean, I'm putting you in the driver's seat here, Vette...and you turn on me?

I want to look at all the options. To me, FF is a valid option. You have no read on him. That doesn't make your case look good, Vette, when one of my theories is that FF and you are on a team.

But, as a show of good faith. To prove you're in the drivers seat:

unvote

vote Heph

way to initiate a train without actually doing so.... I want to prove my good faith, so let's lynch the one claiming town power role.



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