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I mean, I'm putting you in the driver's seat here, Vette...and you turn on me?

I want to look at all the options. To me, FF is a valid option. You have no read on him. That doesn't make your case look good, Vette, when one of my theories is that FF and you are on a team.

But, as a show of good faith. To prove you're in the drivers seat:

unvote

vote Heph



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theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Math huh?  So where are the scenarios with you in them, you arent confirmed town.  And how do I know you have the towns best interests in mind,  just because you say you do?  You wont take my word on being a townie,  so why would I believe your claims that you are town?

Spare me that you are doing this for me


That's an easy question. If I'm mafia, then the scenarios shouldn't make sense, correct, or at least give me the best possible outcome, right?

Perhaps you are not the proper person to be lynched, since FF might have more connections, but you have no read on FF.

Heph might be a good lynch as well, and would narrow the teams down to you and FF, or FF and ST (if heph is town).

All you have to do is look at the idea and help me decide which option is the best option, yet you choose to attack the idea itself. The idea is well founded, it's just who should be the lynch that is the big questions. To me, the best options are you, FF, or Heph. I suspect that FF and Heph have roles so, again, how is it crazy to go after you, the non-role?


so from him being comfimed townie since I suspect him to him getting your vote..I probably shoudln't complain too mcuh about that

 one big conecction that is missing is the unholy alliance of you and GoW



theprof00 said:

I mean, I'm putting you in the driver's seat here, Vette...and you turn on me?

I want to look at all the options. To me, FF is a valid option. You have no read on him. That doesn't make your case look good, Vette, when one of my theories is that FF and you are on a team.

But, as a show of good faith. To prove you're in the drivers seat:

unvote

vote Heph


well that messes up some of my last post. However it does give me some moe ideas.

if you are scum and vett is town you are givging him a list of townies he can lynch with your blessing



Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:

I mean, I'm putting you in the driver's seat here, Vette...and you turn on me?

I want to look at all the options. To me, FF is a valid option. You have no read on him. That doesn't make your case look good, Vette, when one of my theories is that FF and you are on a team.

But, as a show of good faith. To prove you're in the drivers seat:

unvote

vote Heph


well that messes up some of my last post. However it does give me some moe ideas.

if you are scum and vett is town you are givging him a list of townies he can lynch with your blessing

"you're in the driver's seat" is symbolic.

It's to everyone. In fact, it's no different than asking people to vote. But, it's in the tint of my idea.

Do you disagree with the idea? I think the relationships are quite closely tied together, yaknow? The only way I can see that concern making sense is if GoW and I were both mafia, because I'm literally looking at every player besides him.

And, just to show you how obvtown gow is, just go through his posts, ctrl F godofwar_3ever and read them all.  Very strong town read.

But anyway, I'm not going to argue. I'd much rather wait to hear what heph has to say about his role before anything major happens.



Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Math huh?  So where are the scenarios with you in them, you arent confirmed town.  And how do I know you have the towns best interests in mind,  just because you say you do?  You wont take my word on being a townie,  so why would I believe your claims that you are town?

Spare me that you are doing this for me


That's an easy question. If I'm mafia, then the scenarios shouldn't make sense, correct, or at least give me the best possible outcome, right?

Perhaps you are not the proper person to be lynched, since FF might have more connections, but you have no read on FF.

Heph might be a good lynch as well, and would narrow the teams down to you and FF, or FF and ST (if heph is town).

All you have to do is look at the idea and help me decide which option is the best option, yet you choose to attack the idea itself. The idea is well founded, it's just who should be the lynch that is the big questions. To me, the best options are you, FF, or Heph. I suspect that FF and Heph have roles so, again, how is it crazy to go after you, the non-role?


so from him being comfimed townie since I suspect him to him getting your vote..I probably shoudln't complain too mcuh about that

 one big conecction that is missing is the unholy alliance of you and GoW

also, what unholy alliance, I've had him voted for most of day2.



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theprof00 said:

unvote

I've gone through all gow's posts and he comes off as town about as much as ToS did, to me.

Right now, I believe there are a couple possibilities.

FF&Vette

See another thing about the vette being the blocker thing was that I suspected that when he said that the alignment was in his role, it made me think that he had mafia alignment in his role. Like Town Roleblocker. There aren't many other roles that have the word TOWN in them. There's Townie, Town Roleblocker,,,aaand that's really it. It's specifically there for roles that can be on either team, so the designation makes sense. On the opposite side of the spectrum, there's mafia cop, mafia roleblocker.. anyhoo I digress.

(After looking at the OP, everyone's role has Town in it, or Pro-town.

FF seems really cautious this game, and seems to have defended wildvine's "vette defense". He also put in the hammer on the vote modkill, and said they should give wild another chance.

Heph&Steph

I can't help but remember that there were two shady cops as characters in gta4 who were bad guys. But I could be mistaken as I've looked through character lists and not found them. The ones I'm thinking of are in the top right of the OP picture, then 3 squares down on the staircase.
Eitherway, there is francis mcreary who's a cheif that has dirt on niko and makes niko go on missions for him. But he's a good guy. Either way, I don't like these two at all.

Linkz and Heph
Good possibility. LInkz even hinted that despite being a lover, he might have another power. And then when I commented on Linkz being bizarre, Heph then called me bizarre. When I asked Heph if my objection was correct, he agreed with me. So why throw that little dig at me if you agree? Additionally, I've disagreed with almost everything these two have had to say.

Linkz & ST
They each claim that the other is town. Recently, ST said that linkz was 95% town. I can't imagine where he plucked that number from and for what reason. It doesn't say that the other is town, which they've admitted but somehow are very confident in the other.
If it is the case that Linkz and ST are scum, it is very likely that there is another mafia floating around. 4 mafia, 2 of them being sibling-like, makes a lot of sense to me.

 

Going into tonight, we will be one short. IMO, these 5 are the ones we need to watch out for. 2 or them are linked, the other 3, independent.
Heph claims to be some kind of investigational role.
Linkz and ST are lovers, though may have other roles.
Vette claims to be vanilla
FF hasn't claimed.

It is also my opinion that none of these players will be killed tonight. I think it will probably be me or gow, because scum wouldn't want to narrow the pool of suspects for us.
Vette and FF are partially linked because of Wildvine. So they are a good opportunity, at least one of them.
Tomorrow we have a second lynch opportunity, and we really need to get something tonight.

 

QUESTION @ABC: If a lover dies during the day, does the other die at night? Or the following day?

Depending on what ABC answers, I'd say the best course of action would be to lynch a lover and then either FF or vette. I say this because if the other lover dies tonight, then we will know if there are three mafia (2 as lovers), or not. If one shows up as town, then we can almost guarantee that there are another 2 mafia, and would point to vette and FF. If both show up as mafia, that would indicate only one other potential scum, which I would think is Heph.

However, if there are 3 scum, then that means game is over tonight if we mislynch. Man, I gotta rule that out.

Yaknow what, I'm going with FF or Vette.

Most likely Vette as Wildvine defended him.

Sorry Vette, as mafia you usually do post more, and this game you've been VERY active, much more than you usually are. If you're town, then that points to Heph and Linkz as the mafia. I gotta have this information, and if you're vanilla, it's the safest bet to go with you.

Vote vetteman94

Also, the more and more I read this post, the more and more it looks like a bread crumb trail of sorts.  Like you are trying to lay out plans for specific people to see.   



Vetteman94 said:

Also, the more and more I read this post, the more and more it looks like a bread crumb trail of sorts.  Like you are trying to lay out plans for specific people to see.   


ok, if that's how you feel.



theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Math huh?  So where are the scenarios with you in them, you arent confirmed town.  And how do I know you have the towns best interests in mind,  just because you say you do?  You wont take my word on being a townie,  so why would I believe your claims that you are town?

Spare me that you are doing this for me


That's an easy question. If I'm mafia, then the scenarios shouldn't make sense, correct, or at least give me the best possible outcome, right?

Perhaps you are not the proper person to be lynched, since FF might have more connections, but you have no read on FF.

Heph might be a good lynch as well, and would narrow the teams down to you and FF, or FF and ST (if heph is town).

All you have to do is look at the idea and help me decide which option is the best option, yet you choose to attack the idea itself. The idea is well founded, it's just who should be the lynch that is the big questions. To me, the best options are you, FF, or Heph. I suspect that FF and Heph have roles so, again, how is it crazy to go after you, the non-role?


so from him being comfimed townie since I suspect him to him getting your vote..I probably shoudln't complain too mcuh about that

 one big conecction that is missing is the unholy alliance of you and GoW

also, what unholy alliance, I've had him voted for most of day2.

him and you being sure the other is town



Wonktonodi said:

him and you being sure the other is town

same goes for heph steph and linkz ST.



theprof00 said:
Wonktonodi said:

him and you being sure the other is town

same goes for heph steph and linkz ST.


there are differences though. With the lovers they have a reasone to know the other. With Heph and Stefl the topic has been covered ans is night action related. You and GoW though camd out of nowhere