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theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Wow,  so a scum defending me makes me scum.   Thats all you got?  Im not going to defend myself anymore from the same stupid thing.  I can only say the same thing so many times

well then, what do you think of FF?


Nothing,  other than not posting as much as I remember him to post.  

My suspects are Heph, and Silver-Tiger/Linkz

how do you explain wild's perma-vote on linkz?

Like any other scum that thinks a scum buddy is going to get lynched,  go along with the vote and try and blend in



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Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Wow,  so a scum defending me makes me scum.   Thats all you got?  Im not going to defend myself anymore from the same stupid thing.  I can only say the same thing so many times

well then, what do you think of FF?


Nothing,  other than not posting as much as I remember him to post.  

My suspects are Heph, and Silver-Tiger/Linkz

how do you explain wild's perma-vote on linkz?

Like any other scum that thinks a scum buddy is going to get lynched,  go along with the vote and try and blend in

he was only the third vote, and even into page six he was pushing that linkz is scum despite 3 unvotes, he never unvoted.

Furthermore, he votes after two players, Trucks and Heph. He could have been following Heph's lead, but that would imply there is another scum out of you,FF, and GoW. I'm pretty sure GoW is town, so if you're not mafia, then that would imply that FF is the other scum, and I'm curious as to why you don't have any read on him, given that there is a very good chance that he and Heph are mafia. That's just my interpretation, though.



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Wow,  so a scum defending me makes me scum.   Thats all you got?  Im not going to defend myself anymore from the same stupid thing.  I can only say the same thing so many times

well then, what do you think of FF?


Nothing,  other than not posting as much as I remember him to post.  

My suspects are Heph, and Silver-Tiger/Linkz

how do you explain wild's perma-vote on linkz?

Like any other scum that thinks a scum buddy is going to get lynched,  go along with the vote and try and blend in

he was only the third vote, and even into page six he was pushing that linkz is scum despite 3 unvotes, he never unvoted.

Furthermore, he votes after two players, Trucks and Heph. He could have been following Heph's lead, but that would imply there is another scum out of you,FF, and GoW. I'm pretty sure GoW is town, so if you're not mafia, then that would imply that FF is the other scum, and I'm curious as to why you don't have any read on him, given that there is a very good chance that he and Heph are mafia. That's just my interpretation, though.

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.



Vetteman94 said:

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.

Had you read the post where you defended yourself, you would understand why I voted you.

The scum are pretty limited to a few select groups.

Heph&Stefl
ST another (either Heph, you, or FF)
 Linkz&ST/ 1more
Vette&FF
Heph&FF
Heph&Vette

I didn't list all the possible groups there could be, but this above is what it looks like.

Wildvine votes after Trucks and Heph. When commenting on the reasoning, only mentions trucks.
Wildvine somewhat defended you against the "slip"
FF then defended Wildvine
You have no read on FF
Neither of you have ever voted for the other
Recently, with you getting a lot of attention, FF voted Heph

ST could be the scum of the lovers, but then again, that would mean that Wild would end up killing a mafia, despite killing a town. Furthermore, Linkz also believes that ST is town, for several reasons.

Trucks' top suspects were Heph & stef

The only possible groups I can really discern, based on connections here would be

FF and you (vette)
Heph either you; stefl; or ST (or both lovers)
FF ST

If I were to want two kills today (vig listen up) it would be either you or ff PLUS Heph.

 

The reason why my vote is on you, is because it would remove that top option, and because you are vanilla (supposedly) whereas Heph claims to have a role.

However, I also worry that FF has a very good role; like doc. And yes, I will say that because there can't be many others to pick from. At night, mafia is going to have to choose who to kill and block. If stefl is town, then they NEED to use one of those on him, and it's probably going to have to be block, because the chance is too high that he'll get doc'd (along with myself hopefully).

Therefore, out of the people they can kill, it's either GoW, or anyone from that set of possible mafia I showed, which would further narrow down the suspects. If FF is the doc, then they NEED to kill him or Heph, since Heph has a role that could out one of them, if he is successful.

With you and FF dead, that narrows it down to Heph someone else and we get Heph's results. With you and GoW dead, it gives us either Heph ST; Heph and FF; ST and FF,- same thing if you and I are dead. If it's you and a lover, then we get a whole extra day

Now, since I KNOW we have a vig (due to the mafia hider) the vig can further narrow down our list for tomorrow by targeting heph.

Any of these scenarios can work with players rotated around. We can lynch Heph, FF, or you and come up with virtually the same results.

So, I would strongly recommend you look at FF, because he's integral to this scenario.

EDITTED OUT SOME QUOTE BOXES



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.

Had you read the post where you defended yourself, you would understand why I voted you.

The scum are pretty limited to a few select groups.

Heph&Stefl
ST another (either Heph, you, or FF)
 Linkz&ST/ 1more
Vette&FF
Heph&FF
Heph&Vette

I didn't list all the possible groups there could be, but this above is what it looks like.

Wildvine votes after Trucks and Heph. When commenting on the reasoning, only mentions trucks.
Wildvine somewhat defended you against the "slip"
FF then defended Wildvine
You have no read on FF
Neither of you have ever voted for the other
Recently, with you getting a lot of attention, FF voted Heph

ST could be the scum of the lovers, but then again, that would mean that Wild would end up killing a mafia, despite killing a town. Furthermore, Linkz also believes that ST is town, for several reasons.

Trucks' top suspects were Heph & stef

The only possible groups I can really discern, based on connections here would be

FF and you (vette)
Heph either you; stefl; or ST (or both lovers)
FF ST

If I were to want two kills today (vig listen up) it would be either you or ff PLUS Heph.

 

The reason why my vote is on you, is because it would remove that top option, and because you are vanilla (supposedly) whereas Heph claims to have a role.

However, I also worry that FF has a very good role; like doc. And yes, I will say that because there can't be many others to pick from. At night, mafia is going to have to choose who to kill and block. If stefl is town, then they NEED to use one of those on him, and it's probably going to have to be block, because the chance is too high that he'll get doc'd (along with myself hopefully).

Therefore, out of the people they can kill, it's either GoW, or anyone from that set of possible mafia I showed, which would further narrow down the suspects. If FF is the doc, then they NEED to kill him or Heph, since Heph has a role that could out one of them, if he is successful.

With you and FF dead, that narrows it down to Heph someone else and we get Heph's results. With you and GoW dead, it gives us either Heph ST; Heph and FF; ST and FF,- same thing if you and I are dead. If it's you and a lover, then we get a whole extra day

Now, since I KNOW we have a vig (due to the mafia hider) the vig can further narrow down our list for tomorrow by targeting heph.

Any of these scenarios can work with players rotated around. We can lynch Heph, FF, or you and come up with virtually the same results.

So, I would strongly recommend you look at FF, because he's integral to this scenario.

EDITTED OUT SOME QUOTE BOXES

Accroding to you he is integral to this scenario, I just see wild theories backed by nothing.



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on another note, let's all play the Heph's role guessing game.

I suspect he could be a tracker, hence knowing stefl visiting ToS...however, Heph never mentioned following Stefl. He said [stefl] knew ToS was town because stefl was mafia.

He also mentioned getting some weird message but has yet to say what it said. Here, I would ask Heph once again to paraphrase as closely as possible the message he received. There is no penalty for divulging a result. A cop can divulge that X is town, and even quoted is not a problem.

I said that he might be a hobo, but Heph also said that his message was unrelated to his role. Given that he didn't understand his message immediately thinking that it was "random flavor" it really can't be hobo. Otherwise, he would've known that the message was both relevant and due to his role.

He also mentioned that he chose stefl due to suspicion. He hasn't clarified whether it was a lot of [other people's] suspicion, or very little suspicion, though did make the point "who's better to use your role on, someone who will be killed or someone who won't be". Not sure what that means though.

There is also a flavor cop who receives random information based on the players role whom he is investigating, but again, he says the flavor was random and would not occur on other days.

still looking through possible roles, lemme know what you think.



Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.

Had you read the post where you defended yourself, you would understand why I voted you.

The scum are pretty limited to a few select groups.

Heph&Stefl
ST another (either Heph, you, or FF)
 Linkz&ST/ 1more
Vette&FF
Heph&FF
Heph&Vette

I didn't list all the possible groups there could be, but this above is what it looks like.

Wildvine votes after Trucks and Heph. When commenting on the reasoning, only mentions trucks.
Wildvine somewhat defended you against the "slip"
FF then defended Wildvine
You have no read on FF
Neither of you have ever voted for the other
Recently, with you getting a lot of attention, FF voted Heph

ST could be the scum of the lovers, but then again, that would mean that Wild would end up killing a mafia, despite killing a town. Furthermore, Linkz also believes that ST is town, for several reasons.

Trucks' top suspects were Heph & stef

The only possible groups I can really discern, based on connections here would be

FF and you (vette)
Heph either you; stefl; or ST (or both lovers)
FF ST

If I were to want two kills today (vig listen up) it would be either you or ff PLUS Heph.

 

The reason why my vote is on you, is because it would remove that top option, and because you are vanilla (supposedly) whereas Heph claims to have a role.

However, I also worry that FF has a very good role; like doc. And yes, I will say that because there can't be many others to pick from. At night, mafia is going to have to choose who to kill and block. If stefl is town, then they NEED to use one of those on him, and it's probably going to have to be block, because the chance is too high that he'll get doc'd (along with myself hopefully).

Therefore, out of the people they can kill, it's either GoW, or anyone from that set of possible mafia I showed, which would further narrow down the suspects. If FF is the doc, then they NEED to kill him or Heph, since Heph has a role that could out one of them, if he is successful.

With you and FF dead, that narrows it down to Heph someone else and we get Heph's results. With you and GoW dead, it gives us either Heph ST; Heph and FF; ST and FF,- same thing if you and I are dead. If it's you and a lover, then we get a whole extra day

Now, since I KNOW we have a vig (due to the mafia hider) the vig can further narrow down our list for tomorrow by targeting heph.

Any of these scenarios can work with players rotated around. We can lynch Heph, FF, or you and come up with virtually the same results.

So, I would strongly recommend you look at FF, because he's integral to this scenario.

EDITTED OUT SOME QUOTE BOXES

Accroding to you he is integral to this scenario, I just see wild theories backed by nothing.

wild theories? This is math, vetteman. I'm looking at town's BEST CHANCE to finding mafia.

Please just give me some time for the question I have proposed on what Heph's role might be. I'm doing this for you, so don't get all defensive like you are now.

If you're bored, care to explain exactly which parts are wild?



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

Well the other obvious thing is Linkz is the town side of the 2 lovers.  And its Silver-Tiger thats the scum.  Wildvine may have just been going after any townie to get lynched.

Its funny you mention that there is a very good chance Heph and FF are mafia, yet your vote is on me.

Had you read the post where you defended yourself, you would understand why I voted you.

The scum are pretty limited to a few select groups.

Heph&Stefl
ST another (either Heph, you, or FF)
 Linkz&ST/ 1more
Vette&FF
Heph&FF
Heph&Vette

I didn't list all the possible groups there could be, but this above is what it looks like.

Wildvine votes after Trucks and Heph. When commenting on the reasoning, only mentions trucks.
Wildvine somewhat defended you against the "slip"
FF then defended Wildvine
You have no read on FF
Neither of you have ever voted for the other
Recently, with you getting a lot of attention, FF voted Heph

ST could be the scum of the lovers, but then again, that would mean that Wild would end up killing a mafia, despite killing a town. Furthermore, Linkz also believes that ST is town, for several reasons.

Trucks' top suspects were Heph & stef

The only possible groups I can really discern, based on connections here would be

FF and you (vette)
Heph either you; stefl; or ST (or both lovers)
FF ST

If I were to want two kills today (vig listen up) it would be either you or ff PLUS Heph.

 

The reason why my vote is on you, is because it would remove that top option, and because you are vanilla (supposedly) whereas Heph claims to have a role.

However, I also worry that FF has a very good role; like doc. And yes, I will say that because there can't be many others to pick from. At night, mafia is going to have to choose who to kill and block. If stefl is town, then they NEED to use one of those on him, and it's probably going to have to be block, because the chance is too high that he'll get doc'd (along with myself hopefully).

Therefore, out of the people they can kill, it's either GoW, or anyone from that set of possible mafia I showed, which would further narrow down the suspects. If FF is the doc, then they NEED to kill him or Heph, since Heph has a role that could out one of them, if he is successful.

With you and FF dead, that narrows it down to Heph someone else and we get Heph's results. With you and GoW dead, it gives us either Heph ST; Heph and FF; ST and FF,- same thing if you and I are dead. If it's you and a lover, then we get a whole extra day

Now, since I KNOW we have a vig (due to the mafia hider) the vig can further narrow down our list for tomorrow by targeting heph.

Any of these scenarios can work with players rotated around. We can lynch Heph, FF, or you and come up with virtually the same results.

So, I would strongly recommend you look at FF, because he's integral to this scenario.

EDITTED OUT SOME QUOTE BOXES

Accroding to you he is integral to this scenario, I just see wild theories backed by nothing.

wild theories? This is math, vetteman. I'm looking at town's BEST CHANCE to finding mafia.

Please just give me some time for the question I have proposed on what Heph's role might be. I'm doing this for you, so don't get all defensive like you are now.

If you're bored, care to explain exactly which parts are wild?

Math huh?  So where are the scenarios with you in them, you arent confirmed town.  And how do I know you have the towns best interests in mind,  just because you say you do?  You wont take my word on being a townie,  so why would I believe your claims that you are town?

Spare me that you are doing this for me



Hephaestos said:
Wonktonodi said:

I really don't like all these connections going on, prof and gow  linkz and vette

in adition to the conection heph made with stefl and the conection of the lovers.

I wish I had time to do my digging with connections but I'm lucky enough to be posting at all.

One other thing though. Heph you can't have it both ways. I currently thing you being a scum tracker is less likly than other options and thus whould make you town. However you are so sure I'm always wrong and that would then  make you scum. :P

you're not always wrong... only when it really counts =)

hope the trip's going well though ^^


it's going ok greeting from Sidney Nebraska



Vetteman94 said:

Math huh?  So where are the scenarios with you in them, you arent confirmed town.  And how do I know you have the towns best interests in mind,  just because you say you do?  You wont take my word on being a townie,  so why would I believe your claims that you are town?

Spare me that you are doing this for me


That's an easy question. If I'm mafia, then the scenarios shouldn't make sense, correct, or at least give me the best possible outcome, right?

Perhaps you are not the proper person to be lynched, since FF might have more connections, but you have no read on FF.

Heph might be a good lynch as well, and would narrow the teams down to you and FF, or FF and ST (if heph is town).

All you have to do is look at the idea and help me decide which option is the best option, yet you choose to attack the idea itself. The idea is well founded, it's just who should be the lynch that is the big questions. To me, the best options are you, FF, or Heph. I suspect that FF and Heph have roles so, again, how is it crazy to go after you, the non-role?